1
00:00:07,050 --> 00:00:22,310
[Music]

2
00:00:27,830 --> 00:00:24,390
you're in the paracast

3
00:00:29,189 --> 00:00:27,840
the gold standard of paranormal radio

4
00:00:33,190 --> 00:00:29,199
and now

5
00:00:37,990 --> 00:00:35,670
so last week i think was one of our best

6
00:00:40,069 --> 00:00:38,000
episodes ever but we're not getting a

7
00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:40,079
super amount of comments on it don't

8
00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:41,200
people

9
00:00:47,350 --> 00:00:45,200
want to find new ways to do ufo research

10
00:00:48,869 --> 00:00:47,360
i don't know yeah it's hard to figure

11
00:00:50,549 --> 00:00:48,879
usually the ones that generate all the

12
00:00:52,470 --> 00:00:50,559
responses are the controversial ones

13
00:00:54,150 --> 00:00:52,480
that people have a bone to pick

14
00:00:55,910 --> 00:00:54,160
if it's a good episode people just kind

15
00:00:57,830 --> 00:00:55,920
of nod their heads and don't have

16
00:00:59,430 --> 00:00:57,840
anything to say what can you do like

17
00:01:01,270 --> 00:00:59,440
today will be a great show with uh with

18
00:01:03,110 --> 00:01:01,280
chase she's quite a little powerhouse

19
00:01:04,149 --> 00:01:03,120
you know she's real grounded so it'll be

20
00:01:05,990 --> 00:01:04,159
interesting to see what the kind of

21
00:01:08,630 --> 00:01:06,000
response we get from uh from today's

22
00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:08,640
show now you've been in touch with dave

23
00:01:14,789 --> 00:01:12,080
coate correct about his project which of

24
00:01:17,190 --> 00:01:14,799
course is to put a low orbit satellite

25
00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:17,200
cubesat for detecting ufos and you're

26
00:01:21,590 --> 00:01:18,880
talking to him about the software

27
00:01:23,830 --> 00:01:21,600
particularly because you've had problems

28
00:01:26,469 --> 00:01:23,840
with the san luis valley project over

29
00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:26,479
this software yeah you know i've kind of

30
00:01:30,469 --> 00:01:28,320
explained a couple times here uh you

31
00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:30,479
know on past shows that we have a team

32
00:01:35,670 --> 00:01:33,280
of postgraduate students uh in italy

33
00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:35,680
that have been working the end grip team

34
00:01:39,190 --> 00:01:37,840
has been working uh 10 months on the

35
00:01:40,870 --> 00:01:39,200
software and they've pretty much dialed

36
00:01:42,550 --> 00:01:40,880
it in for night time but

37
00:01:45,350 --> 00:01:42,560
you know we're having problems with uh

38
00:01:46,630 --> 00:01:45,360
separating ground clutter other types of

39
00:01:47,830 --> 00:01:46,640
objects like if they're following

40
00:01:49,910 --> 00:01:47,840
something that's fairly close to the

41
00:01:51,510 --> 00:01:49,920
ground and a car drives by it all of a

42
00:01:52,469 --> 00:01:51,520
sudden kicks off and starts following

43
00:01:54,230 --> 00:01:52,479
the car

44
00:01:56,389 --> 00:01:54,240
so there's some sort of id trick that we

45
00:01:58,230 --> 00:01:56,399
need to do and dave uh you know he's a

46
00:01:59,429 --> 00:01:58,240
uh he works for google i mean the guy

47
00:02:01,350 --> 00:01:59,439
really knows his stuff he sent me a

48
00:02:03,030 --> 00:02:01,360
whole bunch of code and i went ahead and

49
00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:03,040
forwarded it on to the team so i'm i'm

50
00:02:06,389 --> 00:02:04,960
waiting to see if that's going to help

51
00:02:07,990 --> 00:02:06,399
and also uh

52
00:02:09,910 --> 00:02:08,000
marcia adams who i'd like to get on the

53
00:02:12,869 --> 00:02:09,920
show at some point she's a chemist that

54
00:02:13,990 --> 00:02:12,879
um has a real interest in in earth

55
00:02:16,070 --> 00:02:14,000
lights and

56
00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:16,080
you know paul devereaux type stuff uh

57
00:02:20,229 --> 00:02:17,760
was a consultant for the has down

58
00:02:22,949 --> 00:02:20,239
project and worked with valet and others

59
00:02:24,309 --> 00:02:22,959
uh very very bright uh and open-minded

60
00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:24,319
scientist

61
00:02:29,110 --> 00:02:26,800
she turned me on to the guy that did the

62
00:02:30,390 --> 00:02:29,120
software for the hezdalin project so we

63
00:02:32,070 --> 00:02:30,400
have a

64
00:02:34,229 --> 00:02:32,080
two-pronged approach uh that we're

65
00:02:36,550 --> 00:02:34,239
trying to remediate our

66
00:02:37,990 --> 00:02:36,560
our problems with the uh with the motion

67
00:02:39,750 --> 00:02:38,000
tracking but uh it's like everything

68
00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:39,760
else it's a process and

69
00:02:44,229 --> 00:02:41,680
when i met douglas trumbull down at the

70
00:02:45,589 --> 00:02:44,239
congress i i kind of wished out loud boy

71
00:02:46,390 --> 00:02:45,599
but sure nice to get a hold of some of

72
00:02:49,589 --> 00:02:46,400
that

73
00:02:51,430 --> 00:02:49,599
software and he goes oh it's there's a

74
00:02:53,670 --> 00:02:51,440
will there's a way it's not that it's

75
00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:53,680
not impossible i mean you know he's kind

76
00:02:57,350 --> 00:02:55,120
of hitting around that maybe there's a

77
00:02:59,270 --> 00:02:57,360
possibility of you know maybe uh getting

78
00:03:00,309 --> 00:02:59,280
something off the shelf that uh has

79
00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:00,319
already been

80
00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:02,480
paid for by our tax stars i don't know

81
00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:03,680
he didn't come right out and say

82
00:03:07,509 --> 00:03:05,760
anything but he did kind of have a

83
00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:07,519
twinkle in his eye and he

84
00:03:11,830 --> 00:03:09,840
said that it's uh you know maybe easier

85
00:03:14,390 --> 00:03:11,840
than you think

86
00:03:16,790 --> 00:03:14,400
so we're moving along with it again it's

87
00:03:18,790 --> 00:03:16,800
three steps forward two steps back but

88
00:03:20,309 --> 00:03:18,800
uh anybody out there that uh is

89
00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:20,319
interested in helping out with

90
00:03:23,990 --> 00:03:22,560
formulating a crowdfunding effort uh

91
00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:24,000
we're about at the point now where we

92
00:03:27,750 --> 00:03:25,840
think that big influx and cash so i

93
00:03:29,910 --> 00:03:27,760
could hire people to do things instead

94
00:03:32,710 --> 00:03:29,920
of relying on their free time and good

95
00:03:34,390 --> 00:03:32,720
graces if anybody out there has some

96
00:03:37,350 --> 00:03:34,400
experience doing a

97
00:03:39,670 --> 00:03:37,360
indiegogo or you fund me projects do

98
00:03:41,910 --> 00:03:39,680
contact us and let us know and we we

99
00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:41,920
want to get that ball rolling here this

100
00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:44,080
spring and really kick it up to the next

101
00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:46,560
level just think here though dave has

102
00:03:49,750 --> 00:03:47,760
experience

103
00:03:52,390 --> 00:03:49,760
yeah with crowdfunding so he may give

104
00:03:55,509 --> 00:03:52,400
you some advice there now part of it is

105
00:03:56,789 --> 00:03:55,519
here that some of these crowdfunding

106
00:03:59,190 --> 00:03:56,799
methods

107
00:04:01,670 --> 00:03:59,200
require that you don't collect the money

108
00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:01,680
until the project is successful whereas

109
00:04:05,589 --> 00:04:03,360
others you can take money out as you

110
00:04:07,110 --> 00:04:05,599
need it right it's that kind of thing i

111
00:04:09,030 --> 00:04:07,120
i think kickstarter is one of the ones

112
00:04:11,110 --> 00:04:09,040
that it's got some

113
00:04:12,470 --> 00:04:11,120
tags attached and some conditional stuff

114
00:04:13,350 --> 00:04:12,480
you have to raise i think the amount

115
00:04:15,589 --> 00:04:13,360
that you

116
00:04:18,069 --> 00:04:15,599
are going for in order to actually

117
00:04:20,069 --> 00:04:18,079
collect the money kickstarter especially

118
00:04:23,030 --> 00:04:20,079
yeah i'm not sure about indiegogo i

119
00:04:24,629 --> 00:04:23,040
think it doesn't matter and go fund me

120
00:04:27,189 --> 00:04:24,639
definitely doesn't matter yeah that's

121
00:04:29,590 --> 00:04:27,199
why i use those two crowdfunding you

122
00:04:31,270 --> 00:04:29,600
know scenarios as an example we have

123
00:04:33,510 --> 00:04:31,280
been contacted in the past i need to go

124
00:04:35,430 --> 00:04:33,520
through my emails i did have a guy um

125
00:04:37,189 --> 00:04:35,440
last year that uh contacted me and said

126
00:04:38,710 --> 00:04:37,199
look when you're ready to pull the

127
00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:38,720
trigger on this uh you know give him a

128
00:04:42,629 --> 00:04:40,560
holler so i need to i need to go ahead

129
00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:42,639
and dig up his information because we've

130
00:04:45,749 --> 00:04:44,400
been relying on people's free time and

131
00:04:47,909 --> 00:04:45,759
people have lives they have families

132
00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:47,919
they have jobs and a chunk of changes is

133
00:04:50,150 --> 00:04:49,120
going to move

134
00:04:51,990 --> 00:04:50,160
certain

135
00:04:54,150 --> 00:04:52,000
tasks and projects from the back burner

136
00:04:55,830 --> 00:04:54,160
to the front burner so that's definitely

137
00:04:57,350 --> 00:04:55,840
what we're going to be doing in and also

138
00:04:59,430 --> 00:04:57,360
i want to work through the

139
00:05:02,710 --> 00:04:59,440
university there in alamosa

140
00:05:05,110 --> 00:05:02,720
adam state university to see if if we

141
00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:05,120
can create a project in conjunction with

142
00:05:08,070 --> 00:05:06,320
the school

143
00:05:11,029 --> 00:05:08,080
and the astronomy department let's say

144
00:05:13,510 --> 00:05:11,039
or one of the social science

145
00:05:14,950 --> 00:05:13,520
departments unfortunately dr lynn weldon

146
00:05:16,870 --> 00:05:14,960
who was my long time friend there he

147
00:05:18,550 --> 00:05:16,880
passed away and i would already be

148
00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:18,560
working with him if he was still around

149
00:05:22,230 --> 00:05:20,960
but for you cat lovers out there plug

150
00:05:24,710 --> 00:05:22,240
your ears there's more than one way to

151
00:05:26,550 --> 00:05:24,720
skin a cat so

152
00:05:27,990 --> 00:05:26,560
we're pretty excited the weather's

153
00:05:30,469 --> 00:05:28,000
breaking up there in the valley so we

154
00:05:32,870 --> 00:05:30,479
can really get going full speed with um

155
00:05:33,749 --> 00:05:32,880
with the project and a nice influx of

156
00:05:35,909 --> 00:05:33,759
cash

157
00:05:37,909 --> 00:05:35,919
to get flear to get our magnetometer to

158
00:05:40,230 --> 00:05:37,919
get our gravitometer to kick around

159
00:05:42,310 --> 00:05:40,240
ideas for radar i think this is all you

160
00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:42,320
know we're ready to start parallel

161
00:05:46,310 --> 00:05:44,320
tracks going now that we think we've

162
00:05:47,350 --> 00:05:46,320
we've turned the corner on the software

163
00:05:48,870 --> 00:05:47,360
issues

164
00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:48,880
it's good to keep the other

165
00:05:53,749 --> 00:05:51,280
stovepipe elements of the project going

166
00:05:55,430 --> 00:05:53,759
and to do that we need some cash

167
00:05:56,950 --> 00:05:55,440
you know our off-the-shelf camera

168
00:05:59,029 --> 00:05:56,960
equipment for instance is so obsolete

169
00:05:59,990 --> 00:05:59,039
now uh that there's

170
00:06:01,909 --> 00:06:00,000
you know we might as well just throw

171
00:06:03,749 --> 00:06:01,919
them on ebay and and uh and start

172
00:06:05,590 --> 00:06:03,759
looking at at high-res

173
00:06:08,309 --> 00:06:05,600
cameras we're also thinking about doing

174
00:06:10,550 --> 00:06:08,319
our self-contained land so it's just a

175
00:06:12,790 --> 00:06:10,560
a self-contained

176
00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:12,800
system that communicates with itself

177
00:06:18,070 --> 00:06:16,160
and then use the uh master feed to go to

178
00:06:20,710 --> 00:06:18,080
the paracast server then have the

179
00:06:22,150 --> 00:06:20,720
switchable image up on on the internet

180
00:06:23,749 --> 00:06:22,160
for public viewing

181
00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:23,759
now let me just tell listeners before

182
00:06:30,469 --> 00:06:27,520
the eyes glaze over a lan is a local

183
00:06:33,270 --> 00:06:30,479
area network okay right do you actually

184
00:06:35,909 --> 00:06:33,280
have a budget in mind right now

185
00:06:38,790 --> 00:06:35,919
well yeah we do um it depends you know

186
00:06:40,870 --> 00:06:38,800
it's it's staged uh the budget

187
00:06:43,029 --> 00:06:40,880
is dependent on what aspect of the

188
00:06:45,909 --> 00:06:43,039
project that we're talking about

189
00:06:47,749 --> 00:06:45,919
the initial triangulated array plus the

190
00:06:49,029 --> 00:06:47,759
monitoring equipment the gravitometer

191
00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:49,039
recording gravitometer recording

192
00:06:53,430 --> 00:06:51,120
magnetometer we're going to have a

193
00:06:55,749 --> 00:06:53,440
extremely low and very low frequency

194
00:06:58,790 --> 00:06:55,759
recording set up with some pretty

195
00:07:00,550 --> 00:06:58,800
sensitive pzm mics which are plate mics

196
00:07:02,710 --> 00:07:00,560
that go on to a slab of

197
00:07:04,230 --> 00:07:02,720
a nice cube for four by four by four

198
00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:04,240
cube of concrete

199
00:07:08,469 --> 00:07:06,160
that uh also is where the gravitometer

200
00:07:10,950 --> 00:07:08,479
is going to be and and uh you know so we

201
00:07:13,749 --> 00:07:10,960
have these scientific monitoring uh

202
00:07:16,390 --> 00:07:13,759
ideas um and then if we add you know

203
00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:16,400
this motorized platform that pan and

204
00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:17,280
tilts

205
00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:19,360
we could use that for

206
00:07:23,270 --> 00:07:22,000
like active radar marine radar that's

207
00:07:24,710 --> 00:07:23,280
actually pointed up towards the sky

208
00:07:26,469 --> 00:07:24,720
instead of horizontal to the horizon

209
00:07:28,150 --> 00:07:26,479
parallel horizon

210
00:07:29,589 --> 00:07:28,160
and also

211
00:07:31,510 --> 00:07:29,599
you know if we go flare i mean that

212
00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:31,520
doubles the price so we're looking at

213
00:07:37,589 --> 00:07:34,960
initially 60 000 uh and then if we go

214
00:07:38,710 --> 00:07:37,599
flare it's going to be uh around 100

215
00:07:40,790 --> 00:07:38,720
000. so

216
00:07:43,189 --> 00:07:40,800
we need to uh we need to get all this uh

217
00:07:45,830 --> 00:07:43,199
dialed in we we do have a quite a a well

218
00:07:48,710 --> 00:07:45,840
delineated out business plan that has

219
00:07:51,589 --> 00:07:48,720
all the um the gear requirements and and

220
00:07:53,670 --> 00:07:51,599
approximate cost and everything costed

221
00:07:55,510 --> 00:07:53,680
out uh one of our

222
00:07:57,510 --> 00:07:55,520
principals wayne um

223
00:07:58,950 --> 00:07:57,520
is he's

224
00:08:01,909 --> 00:07:58,960
he used to

225
00:08:03,430 --> 00:08:01,919
prepare um sensitive classified

226
00:08:05,909 --> 00:08:03,440
materials

227
00:08:07,189 --> 00:08:05,919
for aerospace and also was a contract

228
00:08:10,469 --> 00:08:07,199
officer and

229
00:08:12,150 --> 00:08:10,479
contract lawyer for the cia and so he

230
00:08:14,150 --> 00:08:12,160
has a lot of experience in this type of

231
00:08:16,710 --> 00:08:14,160
work and i leave all that kind of

232
00:08:19,029 --> 00:08:16,720
costing out stuff and acquisitional

233
00:08:21,670 --> 00:08:19,039
stuff to uh to wayne i'm the cheerleader

234
00:08:23,510 --> 00:08:21,680
i try to keep everybody motivated and

235
00:08:24,869 --> 00:08:23,520
come up with the ideas for the actual

236
00:08:27,589 --> 00:08:24,879
experiments that we're going to be doing

237
00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:27,599
and you know we need flightaware uh

238
00:08:32,469 --> 00:08:30,240
you only need stat tracker there's a lot

239
00:08:34,550 --> 00:08:32,479
of things that are going into this and

240
00:08:36,630 --> 00:08:34,560
it's not as is cut and dried as just

241
00:08:39,589 --> 00:08:36,640
having some cameras up there for uh you

242
00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:39,599
know oh wow g whiz type optical footage

243
00:08:42,949 --> 00:08:41,919
that's that's the least

244
00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:42,959
of our

245
00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:45,360
you know the footage that we need

246
00:08:50,870 --> 00:08:48,240
okay tell us about our guest well i met

247
00:08:52,389 --> 00:08:50,880
chase a number of years ago um very

248
00:08:54,389 --> 00:08:52,399
vivacious

249
00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:54,399
just you know bundle of energy

250
00:08:59,670 --> 00:08:56,560
extremely knowledgeable

251
00:09:01,430 --> 00:08:59,680
um she has a a background in um she's a

252
00:09:04,150 --> 00:09:01,440
private investigator

253
00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:04,160
she's deputy director of mufon uh she's

254
00:09:06,829 --> 00:09:06,160
written a book that i highly recommend

255
00:09:09,030 --> 00:09:06,839
called

256
00:09:10,070 --> 00:09:09,040
admissible her and richard dolan came up

257
00:09:15,350 --> 00:09:10,080
with a

258
00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:15,360
instruction manual of how to become a

259
00:09:20,230 --> 00:09:17,920
field uh investigator

260
00:09:22,310 --> 00:09:20,240
and it has it's a field mana manual for

261
00:09:24,949 --> 00:09:22,320
professional application strategies and

262
00:09:27,509 --> 00:09:24,959
methods for ufo paranormal in unknown

263
00:09:30,310 --> 00:09:27,519
biological investigations

264
00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:30,320
and this book is really i just i i

265
00:09:34,470 --> 00:09:31,920
dove into it and it's

266
00:09:38,150 --> 00:09:34,480
it's just an absolute gold mine uh and i

267
00:09:39,910 --> 00:09:38,160
think that chase is uh is is gonna

268
00:09:41,670 --> 00:09:39,920
i think do really well with this if uh

269
00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:41,680
we can get the word out about this book

270
00:09:44,870 --> 00:09:43,680
and and it's uh very well written very

271
00:09:47,269 --> 00:09:44,880
well laid out

272
00:09:49,950 --> 00:09:47,279
chase kletzke joining gene and chris

273
00:09:57,670 --> 00:09:49,960
you're in the paracast

274
00:10:01,990 --> 00:09:59,430
i know that a lot of our listeners are

275
00:10:04,630 --> 00:10:02,000
interested in ufos the issue of giant

276
00:10:06,630 --> 00:10:04,640
skeletons found in america paranormal

277
00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:06,640
investigations and what the top

278
00:10:11,590 --> 00:10:09,360
researchers think about such topics one

279
00:10:14,550 --> 00:10:11,600
online magazine has been presenting such

280
00:10:17,430 --> 00:10:14,560
unusual information since 1985.

281
00:10:21,110 --> 00:10:17,440
it is alternate perceptions magazine at

282
00:10:23,190 --> 00:10:21,120
ap magazine dot info use their search

283
00:10:25,509 --> 00:10:23,200
function to find articles on just about

284
00:10:26,949 --> 00:10:25,519
every topic imaginable that's ap

285
00:10:30,069 --> 00:10:26,959
magazine dot

286
00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:30,079
info do you need a website well you can

287
00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:32,560
get a great deal on hosting services

288
00:10:37,509 --> 00:10:35,760
with namecheap's legendary coupon code

289
00:10:39,509 --> 00:10:37,519
they're offering substantial hosting

290
00:10:42,870 --> 00:10:39,519
discounts on shared hosting business

291
00:10:45,430 --> 00:10:42,880
hosting vps hosting reseller hosting and

292
00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:45,440
even dedicated servers namecheap is

293
00:10:51,190 --> 00:10:47,760
preferred by millions it's backed by a

294
00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:51,200
money-back guarantee use the coupon code

295
00:10:57,430 --> 00:10:54,000
legendary to cash in on the special deal

296
00:11:01,750 --> 00:11:00,389
hi peter for carl for paranormaldate.com

297
00:11:03,829 --> 00:11:01,760
are you looking for love in all the

298
00:11:06,750 --> 00:11:03,839
wrong places now you have a chance to

299
00:11:09,030 --> 00:11:06,760
change that by signing it for free at

300
00:11:10,949 --> 00:11:09,040
paranormaldate.com this incredible

301
00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:10,959
dating site puts people of like minds

302
00:11:15,269 --> 00:11:12,880
together people are interested in the

303
00:11:18,670 --> 00:11:15,279
strange the unusual mysteries ghosts

304
00:11:21,030 --> 00:11:18,680
ufos and the afterlife and so much more

305
00:11:23,269 --> 00:11:21,040
paranormaldate.com was developed for you

306
00:11:25,670 --> 00:11:23,279
people seeking a viable alternative to

307
00:11:28,470 --> 00:11:25,680
the other dating services you can join

308
00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:28,480
for free by going to paranormaldate.com

309
00:11:32,470 --> 00:11:30,240
and if you decide you like it and want

310
00:11:35,350 --> 00:11:32,480
to connect with people use the code

311
00:11:37,509 --> 00:11:35,360
george for a substantial discount mark

312
00:11:38,949 --> 00:11:37,519
rawlings president of paranormaldate.com

313
00:11:41,269 --> 00:11:38,959
says so many people hunger to share

314
00:11:43,509 --> 00:11:41,279
their experiences about the paranormal

315
00:11:45,910 --> 00:11:43,519
the unexplainable or the afterlife and

316
00:11:47,670 --> 00:11:45,920
so much more and this is the source for

317
00:11:49,269 --> 00:11:47,680
them to meet and share that common

318
00:11:51,470 --> 00:11:49,279
interest so sign it for free at

319
00:11:55,910 --> 00:11:51,480
paranormaldate.com

320
00:11:59,269 --> 00:11:55,920
george if you decide to connect with

321
00:12:01,430 --> 00:12:00,389
paid non-attorney spokesperson adam

322
00:12:02,470 --> 00:12:01,440
palaski of the valencia law firm with

323
00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:02,480
principal office and used to texas the

324
00:12:04,470 --> 00:12:03,440
attorney responsible for the content of

325
00:12:05,190 --> 00:12:04,480
this ad this ad is not legal advice and

326
00:12:06,389 --> 00:12:05,200
the choice of a lawyer should not be

327
00:12:07,670 --> 00:12:06,399
based only on advertisement services may

328
00:12:09,829 --> 00:12:07,680
not be available in all states attention

329
00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:09,839
zarato users if you or a loved one took

330
00:12:13,350 --> 00:12:11,680
xarelto and suffered a serious bleeding

331
00:12:15,350 --> 00:12:13,360
event you may be entitled to financial

332
00:12:16,550 --> 00:12:15,360
compensation xarelto is a popular

333
00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:16,560
prescription blood thinner used to

334
00:12:19,590 --> 00:12:18,240
prevent blood clots and protect patients

335
00:12:21,030 --> 00:12:19,600
from strokes these serious bleeding

336
00:12:22,790 --> 00:12:21,040
events have led to numerous cases of

337
00:12:25,389 --> 00:12:22,800
hospitalization and even death phone

338
00:12:30,069 --> 00:12:25,399
lines are open 24 7. call

339
00:12:34,389 --> 00:12:31,750
this is a healthcare alert from the pain

340
00:12:36,150 --> 00:12:34,399
relief hotline if you a family member or

341
00:12:38,150 --> 00:12:36,160
a loved one suffers from knee back

342
00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:38,160
shoulder or ankle pain and have medicare

343
00:12:41,990 --> 00:12:39,920
as your primary insurance we've got

344
00:12:44,150 --> 00:12:42,000
great news you don't have to suffer any

345
00:12:45,910 --> 00:12:44,160
longer you can immediately qualify for a

346
00:12:48,069 --> 00:12:45,920
pain relieving brace at little or no

347
00:12:50,829 --> 00:12:48,079
cost to you by calling our 24 7 pain

348
00:12:53,110 --> 00:12:50,839
relief hotline at

349
00:12:55,350 --> 00:12:53,120
866-389-0620 delivery is free and all

350
00:12:57,350 --> 00:12:55,360
paperwork is handled for you if you are

351
00:13:00,069 --> 00:12:57,360
on medicare and have knee back shoulder

352
00:13:01,829 --> 00:13:00,079
or ankle pain don't wait you can qualify

353
00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:01,839
to immediately receive a pain relieving

354
00:13:06,069 --> 00:13:03,760
brace at little or no cost by calling

355
00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:06,079
our 24 7 pain hotline now at

356
00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:08,800
866-389-0620

357
00:13:12,790 --> 00:13:11,040
our representatives are standing by 24 7

358
00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:12,800
to take your call and rush you your pain

359
00:13:16,949 --> 00:13:14,880
relieving brace at little or no cost to

360
00:13:19,030 --> 00:13:16,959
you shipping is free and all paperwork

361
00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:19,040
is handled for you just call

362
00:13:23,269 --> 00:13:21,440
six three eight nine zero six two zero

363
00:13:25,990 --> 00:13:23,279
that's eight six six three eight nine

364
00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:26,000
zero six two zero again eight six six

365
00:13:30,230 --> 00:13:28,560
three eight nine zero six two zero

366
00:13:31,750 --> 00:13:30,240
dr joel wallach here if you're a baby

367
00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:31,760
boomer and you're worried about the big

368
00:13:35,110 --> 00:13:33,360
epidemics coming and i'm not talking

369
00:13:36,949 --> 00:13:35,120
about the bird flu or the swine flu i'm

370
00:13:38,949 --> 00:13:36,959
talking about epidemics of alzheimer's

371
00:13:41,030 --> 00:13:38,959
disease heart disease obesity diabetes

372
00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:41,040
arthritis cancer that's because the 80

373
00:13:44,470 --> 00:13:42,480
million baby boomers followed all the

374
00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:44,480
advice of doctors and oh houston we have

375
00:13:50,949 --> 00:13:46,720
a problem see dr wallach live little

376
00:13:51,870 --> 00:13:50,959
rock arkansas saturday may 14th 1pm go

377
00:13:54,710 --> 00:13:51,880
to

378
00:14:01,189 --> 00:13:54,720
www.cdoc in arkansas.com

379
00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:03,430
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

380
00:14:09,430 --> 00:14:05,920
comment or question about the paracast

381
00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:09,440
send it to news at theparacast.com

382
00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:12,720
that's news at theparecast.com

383
00:14:17,030 --> 00:14:14,560
and don't forget to visit our famous

384
00:14:21,670 --> 00:14:17,040
paracast community forums at

385
00:14:25,990 --> 00:14:24,470
we welcome chase kletzke to the power

386
00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:26,000
cast this week

387
00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:29,360
please be calm and collected chase have

388
00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:31,760
you done a lot of radio before yes a

389
00:14:36,069 --> 00:14:33,440
little bit

390
00:14:38,069 --> 00:14:36,079
she's host of the fate uh show

391
00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:38,079
oh you have

392
00:14:41,750 --> 00:14:39,680
yeah i'm posting she's been doing her

393
00:14:43,110 --> 00:14:41,760
own show for several years now

394
00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:43,120
you know i think they once asked me to

395
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,760
do a co-host thing for fate but i don't

396
00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:47,519
know what's happened there in any case

397
00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:48,399
chase

398
00:14:53,269 --> 00:14:50,399
we always ask this question for new

399
00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:53,279
guests and that is first tell me your

400
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:55,760
background because chris mentioned you

401
00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:57,040
of course as a

402
00:15:03,189 --> 00:14:58,560
master trainer

403
00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:03,199
ambassador trainer is a designator for a

404
00:15:09,750 --> 00:15:05,600
job with the department of defense

405
00:15:13,750 --> 00:15:09,760
and i'm accredited biomechanics engineer

406
00:15:17,509 --> 00:15:13,760
and so basically my job with the dod was

407
00:15:19,829 --> 00:15:17,519
designing programs that specialized in

408
00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:19,839
getting the active duty ready or you

409
00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:22,560
know even homeland security or

410
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:25,040
the other kind of agency personnel for

411
00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:28,160
specific type missions or

412
00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:30,639
it's a special adaptation for imposed

413
00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:31,680
demand

414
00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:33,920
in other words if you know they had

415
00:15:36,629 --> 00:15:35,600
something special to do it was my job to

416
00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:36,639
get them

417
00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:38,399
physically emotionally and

418
00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:40,560
psychologically ready for the success of

419
00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:41,519
a mission

420
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:44,160
now is this a military mission or what

421
00:15:48,870 --> 00:15:46,959
it would be a military mission uh or

422
00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:48,880
some sort of government um because

423
00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:51,440
because i also designed programs for

424
00:15:55,509 --> 00:15:53,120
homeland security

425
00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:55,519
most specifically the

426
00:16:01,030 --> 00:15:58,639
missed teams which are kind of the swat

427
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:01,040
teams of the coast guard and right after

428
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:04,160
9 11 when coast guard was transitioned

429
00:16:07,269 --> 00:16:05,680
into

430
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:07,279
homeland security from the justice

431
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:08,399
department

432
00:16:13,990 --> 00:16:12,320
i trained most of these 911 units

433
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,000
to be prepared for that type of

434
00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:16,320
assignment because it was special ops of

435
00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:17,680
the coast guard

436
00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:19,680
oh this is deep and heavy does that mean

437
00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:21,440
you have to have various security

438
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:23,360
clearances to do this

439
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:26,079
i did not i did really interact with the

440
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,440
personnel

441
00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:29,199
you know one-on-one

442
00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:32,320
i was given an outline of what

443
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:35,440
was needed and i would design a program

444
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:37,040
i really wasn't allowed to keep those

445
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:39,199
programs in writing but

446
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,440
i never had a failure so i'm excited in

447
00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:43,839
all those years and and

448
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:45,680
literally supervised designed the

449
00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:49,279
programs for over 10 000 troops never

450
00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:52,000
had a failure so i'm good

451
00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:54,480
that's impressive moving to

452
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:56,720
private investigator where's the

453
00:17:01,829 --> 00:16:58,959
transition here how does that happen

454
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:01,839
the private investigator is something i

455
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:05,439
never i never worked as a trade or a job

456
00:17:09,909 --> 00:17:08,160
i went to private investigator school as

457
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:09,919
a way to

458
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:12,000
hone in some skills for ufo

459
00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:14,959
investigations i realized that

460
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:17,520
i really like being out in the field and

461
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:20,559
i needed better interviewing skills and

462
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:21,760
you know kind of those little tricks of

463
00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:23,360
the trade and

464
00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:26,079
not going to a police academy or

465
00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:27,760
you know doing a full college course in

466
00:17:31,909 --> 00:17:30,640
criminal justice i decided my my easiest

467
00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:31,919
option was going to be private

468
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:34,160
investigator school and of course i went

469
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,280
ahead and qualified took the test and

470
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:39,440
licensed through the state of virginia

471
00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:41,440
it's not even

472
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:42,160
i

473
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:00,320
happen to them and there may be a lot of

474
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:02,960
emotions involved what mistakes do

475
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,120
neophytes tend to make

476
00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:07,600
in trying to become

477
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:09,520
investigators and talk to people

478
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:13,280
probably the most common is the language

479
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:15,280
you have a witness that's describing

480
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:17,440
something they've seen it's not supposed

481
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:20,000
to exist but they're describing a very

482
00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:22,720
large craft and someone will get excited

483
00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:24,320
and say oh my gosh you saw the

484
00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:25,520
mothership

485
00:18:31,669 --> 00:18:28,960
um that's a big huge no-no uh two the

486
00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:31,679
second other mistake leading the witness

487
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:33,520
okay so that's very common that's also

488
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:36,000
when we argue about hypnotic regression

489
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,880
for abductees the big problem is

490
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:40,640
deliberately or accidentally leading the

491
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,280
witness go ahead please yeah absolutely

492
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:45,360
it's the terminology needs to be

493
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:48,080
dispassionate and professional

494
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:50,640
um i think the second mistake is

495
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:53,919
asking questions just as you mentioned

496
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,480
is leading and keeping them to to you

497
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,640
know those specific open questions how

498
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:00,720
what why where when

499
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:03,039
we want to get very specific

500
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:05,120
probably the third mistake

501
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:06,960
new investigators make is inserting

502
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:08,720
themself in the story

503
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:10,160
they feel like they need to share their

504
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:13,120
experiences with the witnesses and or

505
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:16,000
making an opinion that yeah it sounds

506
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:19,200
like you're being abducted or before any

507
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,840
real research and background is done so

508
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:23,280
those are kind of the common mistakes in

509
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:26,880
the dialogue now i had understood here

510
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:29,440
and i'm probably wrong that sometimes in

511
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:31,520
dealing with a reluctant witness

512
00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:33,760
sharing something of yourself may relax

513
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:35,440
them so is there a way to do that

514
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,559
without

515
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,480
as they say upsetting

516
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,720
the accuracy and reliability of the

517
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:42,960
information sure and that would be to

518
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:45,200
share things like i've also seen things

519
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:46,720
i can't explain

520
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,520
without being specific um you know

521
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:51,280
letting them know that

522
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:54,000
you're in this field and although

523
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,080
most people think that ufo investigators

524
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,559
are trying to prove ufos of real

525
00:20:04,150 --> 00:20:00,799
most of us out here are just trying to

526
00:20:06,150 --> 00:20:04,160
get to the source of the anomaly or you

527
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,160
know the unknown sighting most of the

528
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:08,480
time we can explain these and and what

529
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:11,120
the witnesses have seen but the best way

530
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,080
is to not be specific but let them know

531
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:16,640
that you're there to listen

532
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,640
and give them that attention

533
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:20,720
i assume you record all these sessions

534
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:22,960
right mostly um there are times when

535
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:25,120
we're asked not to especially on an

536
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,039
initial investigation

537
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:29,120
especially when you report things on the

538
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:32,080
internet or it's a phone conversation

539
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:33,760
and they don't know you we've learned

540
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,640
that as the trust is developed between

541
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,880
the witness and the investigator the

542
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:41,280
recording is necessary at some point

543
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,400
absolutely it's a testimony that we need

544
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:46,559
the witness to tell their story on the

545
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,919
record now how do you look for deception

546
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:51,440
there's an assumption here that a lot of

547
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,760
people who report ufos are faking it

548
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,520
which i don't think is necessarily true

549
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,360
except for very few cases

550
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,000
but how does an investigator talking to

551
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,799
people consider signs of deception where

552
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,480
do you see people who might be just

553
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:05,840
making it all up

554
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:07,520
a lot of that can come through an

555
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,559
interview

556
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:10,640
and you're looking for

557
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:13,039
contradictions they're very confused

558
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,960
with timelines it's it's almost like

559
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,960
their story isn't straight

560
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,640
then there's a second process of an

561
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,000
interview that's called cognitive

562
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:23,039
interviewing and that's where you have

563
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:24,960
your witness repeat the story but you

564
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,559
start at the end or you start in the

565
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,120
middle or you hone in on one fact and

566
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:31,200
have them explain what happened from

567
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:33,039
there backwards

568
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:34,960
there's several of those clues and of

569
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,200
course there's other things we do is we

570
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:39,200
advance the investigation forward you

571
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,480
know looking for evidence cooperation

572
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:44,799
you know i have a slick kind of way of

573
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,440
doing that as i'd um and i i stumbled on

574
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,000
this method by accident i thought i had

575
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:52,480
hit record on my recorder and they went

576
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,600
through the whole story and i looked

577
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,200
down and realized it wasn't recording i

578
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,440
said oh my i can't believe it i forgot

579
00:22:02,950 --> 00:21:59,679
to hit record i hate to ask you this

580
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,960
because could you run that by me again

581
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,400
i felt really embarrassed but then when

582
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,240
i realized whoa this is a this could be

583
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,720
a good effective method so i tried it a

584
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,720
few times and there was something about

585
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:12,799
the individual or their descriptions

586
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,679
that

587
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:14,799
you know i felt maybe there was

588
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:16,799
something kind of screwy about it then i

589
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,600
would accidentally not record and have

590
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,600
them do it again and

591
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:23,200
i never did really catch anybody i

592
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,120
always had the exact same story repeated

593
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,280
to me so i guess i've been lucky but uh

594
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:29,120
but that's that's kind of a sneaky way

595
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,840
of

596
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,679
doing it which i discovered completely

597
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,520
by ask accident we're going to have an

598
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:35,919
accident if we don't break okay we have

599
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,400
chase kleczky we have chris o'brien

600
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,640
happy birthday chris o'brien thank you

601
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:42,320
with gina and chris you're in the

602
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:53,669
thank you for listening to gcn

603
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,000
be sure to visit gcnlive.com today

604
00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:59,840
don't know what's in your drinking water

605
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,480
better get a pro pure with the pro one g

606
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,440
2.0 all-in-one filter remove over 200

607
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,000
contaminants including fluoride and lead

608
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:09,840
taste water the way nature meant it to

609
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,640
be clean crisp and refreshing see the

610
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,320
complete line of pro pure water

611
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,559
filtration products there's a pro pure

612
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,799
system for you visit your authorized pro

613
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:20,799
pure dealer for details on our current

614
00:23:25,390 --> 00:23:24,240
free shipping special or propureusa.com

615
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,400
that's

616
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,840
p-r-o-p-u-r-u-s-a dot com

617
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:29,760
oh ten thousand dollars or more to the

618
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,559
irs get on board with the tax admiral

619
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,039
don't take on the irs alone i'll cut

620
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:37,200
penalties and reduce your overall tax

621
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,679
bill sometimes i can even get it zeroed

622
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,400
out completely we're an a-rated company

623
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,000
helping people clean up their mess with

624
00:23:50,110 --> 00:23:46,960
the irs if you owe 10 000 or more then

625
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,120
call the tax admiral call

626
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:51,919
800-287-7180 again that's

627
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,710
hey guys pat matthews here to tell you

628
00:24:06,430 --> 00:24:04,480
about the newest and best way to sell

629
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,440
products online it's buy sell

630
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,559
makeoffer.com an enormously

631
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,480
revolutionary way to sell your stuff

632
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,120
online it's time to clean out the garage

633
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,039
your old golf clubs sports equipment

634
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,840
tools and yes even your car forget about

635
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,200
the way the other guys have taken more

636
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:21,360
than their share from you when the sales

637
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,919
were finalized look it's happened to me

638
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,159
over and over and over then i found buy

639
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,559
sellmakeoffer.com they will never charge

640
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,960
you item fees just go there right now to

641
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,640
sign up and load all your stuff to our

642
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,880
server to sell this is not an auction

643
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,039
site sell your car sell your home

644
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,360
realtor sign up now just use our

645
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,279
resources along with skype and videos

646
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,679
then add your creativity to sell your

647
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:46,559
items quickly and with no fees go right

648
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,120
now to buy sell makeover dot com and

649
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,520
sign up the excitement is building i've

650
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,279
signed up to sell my stuff with buy sell

651
00:24:58,300 --> 00:24:55,600
makeoffer.com you should too

652
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:58,310
buy sell makeoffer.com

653
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,440
[Music]

654
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,120
serious investors and traders want to

655
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,159
make 81 return in 60 seconds use the

656
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,320
same secret algorithm professional hedge

657
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,000
fund managers use to make billions of

658
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,640
dollars of profits turn 250 dollars into

659
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,559
4 900 three dollars just seven clicks of

660
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,880
a mouse our tool is so simple that my 82

661
00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:16,320
year old grandmother can use it to make

662
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,320
insane stock market profits go to

663
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,679
bigbuckriches.com watch the free video

664
00:25:24,990 --> 00:25:23,440
before the hedge funds make us take it

665
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,000
down go to

666
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,880
bigbuckriches.com from the robert allen

667
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,159
system current returns not indicative of

668
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,080
future results

669
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,840
hi this is dr joel wallick the dead

670
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,520
doctors don't lie guy have you ever

671
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,880
wondered why farmers can keep their

672
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:36,640
livestock lean and healthy just by

673
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,600
feeding them minerals in a

674
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,679
nutrient-dense diet before markets they

675
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,039
cut off their minerals leaving them to

676
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:42,880
crave high calorie grains to fatten them

677
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,440
up so if weight control is this easy why

678
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,960
does the medical system prescribe

679
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,039
invasive surgical gastric bypass for

680
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,960
humans the truth be told according to

681
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,120
research you can avoid over 900

682
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,279
different diseases just by getting 90

683
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:57,279
essential nutrients daily check us out

684
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,039
on the web at sons of liberty team dot

685
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:01,039
com and order your healthy start pack

686
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,120
and get your 90 for life or dial 855 301

687
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:07,760
team i said essential not optional and

688
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,960
every day easy 90 for life on the web at

689
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,360
sons of liberty team dot com or call

690
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:15,840
eight five five three zero one team

691
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,159
that's eight five five three zero one

692
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,640
team that's eight five five three zero

693
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,120
one team check us out on the web at sons

694
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:25,200
of liberty team dot com at sons of

695
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,730
liberty team dot com

696
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,880
[Music]

697
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,279
by now you know that wireless technology

698
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,760
like cell phones do in fact pose dangers

699
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:35,840
to the health and privacy of everyone

700
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:38,000
block it pockets wide range of products

701
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,440
are unmatched in providing the

702
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,000
protection you deserve no scare tactics

703
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,480
just common sense blockadepocket.com

704
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,799
offers quality american-made options to

705
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,120
alleviate and eliminate these invisible

706
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:51,679
dangers learn more at blockitpocket.com

707
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,640
or call 888

708
00:27:00,300 --> 00:26:56,240
315-9618 blockitpocket.com

709
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:00,310
enhancing health and privacy

710
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,830
hi this is bryce abel i'm the producer

711
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,000
of dark skies the co-author of ad after

712
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:11,760
disclosure and you are listening to the

713
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:15,120
paracast the gold standard of paranormal

714
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:16,450
radio

715
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,310
i understand chris's birthday is march

716
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:23,919
24th which is when we're doing this

717
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,640
episode we have investigator chase

718
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,120
kletzke from mufon she's telling us

719
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,520
about her tried and true investigative

720
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,440
techniques and we were honing in

721
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,440
on matters of deception but

722
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,159
before that what areas

723
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:40,320
of eyewitness testimony

724
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,520
are people less able to give accurately

725
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,360
i heard from one investigator it's

726
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:47,440
timelines it's very difficult well how

727
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:50,400
long did you see this object or this

728
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,520
phenomenon is that correct sometimes my

729
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,000
experience is that the hardest thing for

730
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,840
witnesses to

731
00:28:02,389 --> 00:27:59,760
even agree on if there are multiple

732
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,399
witnesses at an event and that is the

733
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,520
size of an object or how high it was

734
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:07,919
i think that's very difficult for people

735
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,480
to be exact you know there's little

736
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,080
triggers that we use or little tricks

737
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,679
you know hold your hand out would it be

738
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,760
the size of a golf ball and you know

739
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,240
things like this but if there was one

740
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:20,880
thing that was most difficult it would

741
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,760
be

742
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,279
how high was it

743
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:25,520
yeah what size exactly do you think it

744
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,399
was

745
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,279
i i found that duration and sequence

746
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,880
what happened first what happened second

747
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,279
what happened third tends to fluctuate

748
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,640
um

749
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,399
i always use that uh

750
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,159
you know holding an object at arm's

751
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,640
length and i said the full moon is is

752
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,399
the size of an aspirin held at arm's

753
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,240
length if an aspirin would cover the

754
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,320
full moon tell me how large the object

755
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,399
is and i tend to get pretty accurate uh

756
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,480
descriptions from person to person in a

757
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,640
multiple witnessed account so i didn't

758
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,120
find that to be as much of a problem as

759
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:57,520
the actual sequence of events and uh and

760
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,480
duration

761
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,720
well the sequence of events you know i

762
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:03,039
have forms for that so i can track their

763
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,559
sequence of events if you're talking

764
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,480
about the interview process where you

765
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,840
know they can't remember well wait a

766
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,679
minute that that happened first

767
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,919
i i really haven't found that that much

768
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,760
and when i'm talking about

769
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,360
you know the size of an object or how

770
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,919
high it is even for someone like me well

771
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,640
you know was was it twelve thousand feet

772
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:22,320
in the air or was it ten thousand feet

773
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:23,520
in the air

774
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,760
and that two thousand feet is a big deal

775
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,679
or that 200 feet is a really big deal

776
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:29,679
when you're trying to calculate you know

777
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,320
things from um your low earth orbit

778
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:35,279
satellites to drones i think it was for

779
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,279
me it was that yeah sometimes the fact

780
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,919
of the distance of the object the speed

781
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,320
of the object and the size can separate

782
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,000
something conventional from

783
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,399
unconventional and one example one

784
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,799
notorious example would be the kenneth

785
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,120
arnold sighting on june 24th

786
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:55,919
1947 it sort of started the ufo

787
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:58,880
phenomenon for a lot of people in people

788
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,360
looking at the research later on

789
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,520
if you look at what arnold said about

790
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,039
the distance of the object and

791
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:06,960
everything it's unconventional

792
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,760
however some suggest that maybe if you

793
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,399
consider the possibility of error on

794
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,720
arnold's part that may

795
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,240
show that this may have been something

796
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,799
conventional like a test aircraft but it

797
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,799
all depends on the distance and the

798
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,039
speed if it's going too fast then it

799
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,600
cannot possibly be conventional

800
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,440
absolutely and

801
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,799
kenneth arnold

802
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:30,880
i believe you know being a pilot would

803
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:31,760
be

804
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,799
considered a trained observer especially

805
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,600
in the air so his testimony on the speed

806
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:39,919
the distance would be

807
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,600
more likely to be accurate than mine

808
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,200
sitting in a passenger seat in the

809
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:47,600
aircraft so that's why we like the

810
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,320
pilots and trained observers as police

811
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:53,120
officers military personnel um they tend

812
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:54,559
to be our

813
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:57,440
kind of golden witnesses and ufology and

814
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,360
yet as as chris will tell you you just

815
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,279
don't doubt you know the 60 year old

816
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:06,159
lady hid the you know a farm in kentucky

817
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:07,840
because that wouldn't lie for anything

818
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,720
so

819
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,080
you know it really is up to the

820
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,799
investigator to take responsibility

821
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,200
when they accept a case to really work

822
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,919
it and that also includes credibility

823
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:20,159
and honing in if if we're having a

824
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,200
problem

825
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,080
seeing that the size of an object or the

826
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,399
distance or speed is something that's

827
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:28,240
hard to calculate

828
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,960
we

829
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,720
document that appropriately that these

830
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,440
are estimates and why we believe that

831
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:34,960
that witness might have a hard time with

832
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,919
that discernment does the factor of

833
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:39,519
previous sightings

834
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:42,159
impact how you judge a case

835
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,760
yes and it shouldn't but it does there's

836
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,080
been times when you know you you take

837
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,320
that ufo report and you're out talking

838
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,840
to the witness and you're looking around

839
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:54,240
and all you see are ufo books and you

840
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:57,760
know ufo dvds and magazines and you know

841
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:00,720
they've done so much research and

842
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:03,519
it will cause a bit of

843
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:04,640
concern

844
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,279
although it doesn't necessarily negate

845
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:09,600
the investigation or or form an opinion

846
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,880
at that moment

847
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,559
but it is something we consider yeah

848
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,559
it's almost like wishful thinking

849
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:16,320
one of the things that i found is there

850
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,600
are people out there that just

851
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,320
desperately want to have an interesting

852
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,640
siding or some sort of inexplicable

853
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,039
experience and and they lust after that

854
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,039
so that tends to

855
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,960
raise the possibility that someone may

856
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,120
be reading more into a mundane event

857
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,840
let's say than uh then is warranted so

858
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,159
yeah i agree that that can be a problem

859
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:39,039
i find that more in suburban and urban

860
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,720
context out in the country don't have

861
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,120
that as much and most of my

862
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,960
investigative work happened you know out

863
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:47,279
with farmers ranchers uh people like

864
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:48,320
that

865
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,480
you get more of the

866
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,360
quasi-hysterics who

867
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:54,960
have venus beaming them and

868
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:57,440
communicating with them or something

869
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,120
oh i always wondered about someone

870
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,200
beaming at me

871
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,519
you know that would be really crazy when

872
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,360
you do these interviews and when the

873
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,200
people at mufon do the interviews based

874
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,679
on the training do they also look into

875
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:11,919
other possible strange encounters not

876
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,000
just ufos maybe you saw a ghost maybe

877
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,480
you saw bigfoot is that ever considered

878
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,080
or looked into

879
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:19,760
that would depend on the individual

880
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:22,880
investigator but it is mufon's

881
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,320
policy to just investigate ufo reports

882
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,080
we don't like to mix our sciences and i

883
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:29,919
don't mean we as a mufon

884
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,799
as communities you even if you find

885
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,720
yourself in a bigfoot community

886
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:36,960
bringing up the possibility

887
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,840
that a lot of these bigfoot sightings

888
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,720
are

889
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,720
you know usually precursed with you know

890
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,480
strange lights in the sky could it

891
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,440
possibly be ufo and oh the meltdowns

892
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,279
right people don't like to mix their

893
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:51,039
sciences and

894
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:53,919
for mufon you know the policy is more to

895
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,960
to stay within the scientific agenda of

896
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:58,960
ufo investigations

897
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,000
however over the decades we're also

898
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,279
fully aware that it's very common for

899
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:07,840
people that have had an experience or

900
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,560
are allegedly have had experiences or

901
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,720
contact that they're plagued with

902
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,119
paranormal type activity

903
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,440
that is not normally associated with

904
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,079
ufos so you know this is a learning

905
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,480
process as we study this phenomena over

906
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,359
the decades but i agree i think

907
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:27,760
i i don't think they're all related

908
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:30,720
meaning paranormal cryptids and

909
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:34,960
ufos however i believe the the physics

910
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,560
behind some of this phenomena is related

911
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:40,240
so that's of course just making an

912
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:41,280
assumption

913
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,720
at the beginning that they aren't

914
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,960
related why do that

915
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,639
well i don't i

916
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,040
there's no evidence that they're related

917
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,800
however there's no evidence they're not

918
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,320
related is there

919
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,399
yeah i guess you know i hadn't really

920
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,119
thought about it that that deeply but

921
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,440
you're absolutely right um i just you

922
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,280
know if people report

923
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:03,040
certain incidences

924
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,000
um

925
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,160
you know we tend to focus on that

926
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,560
however um yeah but it's a fine line

927
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:10,720
between having blinders on and

928
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,839
and um

929
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,760
and being open-minded and

930
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:15,520
open to the possibility there may be

931
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,680
some sort of connection i've had i had

932
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,920
seven bigfoot sightings in eight days

933
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:20,800
and

934
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,000
i guess followed by a wave of ufo

935
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,240
activity and there was actual activity

936
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,400
during that week period as well

937
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,119
so it was very difficult for me to

938
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:35,760
keep these um these events in the same

939
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,560
region um you know compartmentalized to

940
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,680
me there was

941
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:42,320
a connection coincidentally or you know

942
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,040
just

943
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,320
uh incidentally um and and also i've

944
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,240
noticed uh strange weather i've noticed

945
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,160
about social behavior i've noticed other

946
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,480
things that tend to ebb and flow

947
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:54,880
with uh outbreaks of um

948
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,680
inexplicable reports shall we say and so

949
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,359
we have to be open-minded to that but of

950
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,800
course yeah you don't want to be mixing

951
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,320
apples with oranges

952
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:04,160
well unless there's there's there's

953
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,040
cause

954
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,880
let's hold that response chase to our

955
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:09,359
next segment folks please check out the

956
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,270
we offer the after the powercast podcast

957
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,119
as part of that package exclusive to

958
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,520
members of powercastplus

959
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,520
we've also begun to add

960
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,520
complete show transcripts for several of

961
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,000
our most popular episodes we recently

962
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,240
introduced a powercast plus video

963
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:32,800
channel we will have a special section

964
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,680
for classic powercast episodes at the

965
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,200
powercast plus

966
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,440
plus.theparacast.com

967
00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:42,079
with gene and chris you're in the

968
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:50,310
[Applause]

969
00:36:56,580 --> 00:36:54,000
thank you for listening to gcn

970
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,590
sure to visit gcnlive.com today

971
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,800
[Music]

972
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,720
conspiracy journal is your number one

973
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,800
source for the hidden world of the weird

974
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,640
and strange we bring you

975
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,240
thought-provoking and controversial

976
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,640
material for free-thinking individuals

977
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,040
who are seeking what is really going on

978
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,680
in our world today some of this material

979
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,240
may adversely affect you other pieces

980
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,640
are meant to enlighten either way be

981
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:21,040
prepared to be intrigued by such things

982
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,200
as the reality of ufos ghosts strange

983
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:27,440
creatures from time and space hidden

984
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,040
conspiracies time travel nikola tesla

985
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:33,200
suppressed technology and a whole lot

986
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:34,079
more

987
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,160
website at conspiracyjournal.com

988
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,400
there you can sign up for our free

989
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,960
weekly newsletter sent directly to your

990
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:46,400
email address

991
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:49,359
find out what they don't want you to

992
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,349
this is sharon hunt before using heart

993
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:01,119
and body extract my energy level was

994
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,440
very very low i could only walk a few

995
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,760
feet and then would have to sit down i

996
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:08,000
was tired and lethargic but after taking

997
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,000
heart and body extract my energy level

998
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,000
has improved greatly and i can now walk

999
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,000
longer distances without getting tired

1000
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:16,560
so fast thank you heart and body extract

1001
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,079
learn the secrets of an effective

1002
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,320
natural 100 organic nutritional

1003
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:22,079
supplement for a healthy heart and

1004
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,190
planning to buy food storage wait a

1005
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,280
minute many companies try to confuse you

1006
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:33,119
with the number of servings they sell

1007
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,800
it's not about the number of servings

1008
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,040
it's about the number of calories in

1009
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,920
emergencies calories means survival go

1010
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,400
to readysupplyfoods.com for a comparison

1011
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,720
of leading companies ready supply foods

1012
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,800
sells the most calories per dollar of

1013
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,880
any company our 23 entrees and

1014
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,640
breakfasts are delicious and full of

1015
00:38:54,670 --> 00:38:52,880
nutritious calories the new leader in

1016
00:38:56,090 --> 00:38:54,680
value and quality go to

1017
00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:56,100
readysupplyfoods.com

1018
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,839
[Music]

1019
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,040
today this is dan pillett do you have

1020
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,040
the irs money you can't pay are tax

1021
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,040
debts crippling you i've defended people

1022
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,280
from the irs for over 30 years i've

1023
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,200
helped thousands and i can help you too

1024
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,880
i wrote the book on irs settlement and

1025
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:12,640
i'm telling you there's no such thing as

1026
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,079
a hopeless case call 834 no tax to

1027
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,000
finally get free of irs debt with the

1028
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,920
irs's new programs there's never been a

1029
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:21,760
better time to solve your problem call

1030
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,079
834 no tax that's 800 34 no tax on my

1031
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,960
website danpilla.com

1032
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:31,119
i'm nick soboleski a select quote agent

1033
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,480
with a true story that could save you

1034
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,480
hundreds of dollars a year a woman named

1035
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:37,359
linda just called her husband ray has a

1036
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:40,400
300 000 group life insurance policy but

1037
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,320
is changing jobs and can't take it with

1038
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,800
him well i am partially shot the highly

1039
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:46,560
rated term life insurance companies we

1040
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:49,280
represent and found ray who is 41 and

1041
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:50,720
takes medication to control his

1042
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:54,480
cholesterol a 10-year 500 000 policy for

1043
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,760
under

1044
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,160
a month that's almost twice the coverage

1045
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,560
for less than half of what he had paid

1046
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,240
if select quote hasn't shopped for your

1047
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:04,240
life insurance you're probably paying

1048
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:05,280
too much

1049
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,630
that's 1-800-403-4885

1050
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,470
1-800-403-4885

1051
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,990
or go to selectquote.com we shop you

1052
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,760
save get full details in the example

1053
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:25,359
policy at sloco.com commercials your

1054
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:26,240
price could vary depending on your

1055
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,520
health issuing company and other factors

1056
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,440
not available in all states i'm jesse

1057
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,839
gonzalez vice president kmart did you

1058
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,760
know that premature birth is the number

1059
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,599
one killer of babies in the united

1060
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,000
states or the survivors can face a

1061
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:40,400
lifetime of serious health problems but

1062
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,599
you can help join me in kmart for the

1063
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:45,760
march for babies walk we'll work

1064
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,320
together to raise funds for research and

1065
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,720
programs that help the merchandise fight

1066
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,119
premature birth and birth defects and

1067
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,440
improve the health of moms and babies

1068
00:41:00,200 --> 00:40:56,960
start your team today at

1069
00:41:00,210 --> 00:41:05,030
[Music]

1070
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,390
this is micah hanks of the grayling

1071
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,000
report and you're listening to the

1072
00:41:11,090 --> 00:41:10,240
paracast the gold standard of paranormal

1073
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:11,100
radio

1074
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,280
[Music]

1075
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,440
we have chase kletzke joining gene and

1076
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,960
chris and we're talking about

1077
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,200
investigative methods where chris was

1078
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:27,599
pointing out that maybe it's a good idea

1079
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,319
to consider at least the possibility

1080
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:32,720
that other paranormal events have a

1081
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,000
relationship to ufos so you get to the

1082
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,480
point where you're arguing here chase

1083
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:40,720
no not at all because i agree with chris

1084
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,520
absolutely uh the only thing is is i

1085
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,000
would take the ufo

1086
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,400
type sightings that he referred to in

1087
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,640
the scenario before we went to break

1088
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,640
if you unless you could directly connect

1089
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,240
that with the bigfoot sightings in other

1090
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,240
words you see a bigfoot come out of that

1091
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,400
a craft then we have a direct

1092
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,640
correlation until then

1093
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,800
until we have proof that they're related

1094
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,119
although i agree you know all these

1095
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,520
things must be documented and considered

1096
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,160
but i would probably investigate the ufo

1097
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:12,880
incident separately from the bigfoot and

1098
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:15,599
if there was reason to believe

1099
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,000
that there was a direct connection

1100
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:20,240
that i would take that further so he

1101
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:23,760
he's right but we see this a lot with

1102
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,480
the different fields and in my book i

1103
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,119
also talk that you know having

1104
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,599
having that open mind because it's

1105
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:32,720
absolutely

1106
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,920
it is and i've actually been to ufo

1107
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,040
cases

1108
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:39,839
where what was described to me clearly

1109
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,280
fit more of a paranormal situation

1110
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,400
and we've gone forward with that avenues

1111
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:48,480
and things worked out great so

1112
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,760
you do i

1113
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,000
it's the responsibility you take as an

1114
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,240
investigator you know basically how far

1115
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:56,720
you want to go and study and because a

1116
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,760
lot of this is study and research yeah

1117
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,599
you know we do have a uh

1118
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:03,680
we didn't have much time to put up a

1119
00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:06,160
thread at question bank uh on the

1120
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,560
pericast forum at

1121
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,760
form.paracast.com this is where our

1122
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,680
listeners and forum members can ask

1123
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,680
questions of our guests and honeypot

1124
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,680
here has uh interesting

1125
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:18,079
uh question that that relates to uh as

1126
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:19,280
he puts it

1127
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,760
you've always said your now famous giant

1128
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,520
triangle sighting in tennessee was too

1129
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,839
good to be true

1130
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:30,480
why don't you first of all give us

1131
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,000
we'll take this particular personal case

1132
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,079
and then start picking it apart a little

1133
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,599
bit here

1134
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,240
and he has a whole list of questions

1135
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,920
they're very interested in finding out

1136
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,760
more about this particular event so you

1137
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:46,160
had a really riveting triangle sighting

1138
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,240
it sounds like i did it was 2010 in a

1139
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:53,440
very very rural area of tennessee

1140
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,640
and uh what honeypot was referring to

1141
00:44:03,430 --> 00:43:57,839
was

1142
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,440
the went to a witness house with another

1143
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:04,720
investigator

1144
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,599
and

1145
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:07,200
the thing that

1146
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,960
i kind of fall into every once in a

1147
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:11,200
while is you never expect to become a

1148
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,160
witness

1149
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:14,160
when you we usually are

1150
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:16,079
investigating these things after the

1151
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,960
fact

1152
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,000
so

1153
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,599
you know going out to the witnesses

1154
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,520
house although he was quite excited that

1155
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,839
evening that this is he was already

1156
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:25,280
seeing things

1157
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,319
that

1158
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,720
always led into bigger events and bigger

1159
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,640
sightings for the evening which is why

1160
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:32,400
we jumped in our car and went out to his

1161
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:33,440
house

1162
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,240
um

1163
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,400
what happened that evening was

1164
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:38,160
we had a witness that originally

1165
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,079
reported orange orbs and

1166
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,760
as of course um

1167
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,359
interviewing the witness and talking to

1168
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,440
them further more and more information

1169
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,119
would come out that you know they were

1170
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,920
chasing these uh down these dirt roads

1171
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:53,760
and these country roads which i thought

1172
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,359
was fascinating because how many times

1173
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,680
do you hear that these balls of light or

1174
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:01,359
these orange orbs

1175
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:02,160
are

1176
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,440
you know maneuvering in a way that you

1177
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,920
can actually chase them down a road and

1178
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,160
follow them so there was a lot of

1179
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,000
interesting aspects

1180
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:12,960
but um there was a time in the interview

1181
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,400
where he mentioned the big triangles and

1182
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:19,119
i had an appointment to go out and and

1183
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,760
see him a couple days

1184
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,560
um from when i got this phone call so we

1185
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:26,240
had an appointment on like a saturday or

1186
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,280
sunday

1187
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,160
and i got a call on a thursday and he

1188
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,240
said you need to come out now because

1189
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:33,920
things are already happening and this is

1190
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:36,800
always what leads into the bigger things

1191
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:39,200
so i did i jumped in the car ran up to

1192
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,400
memphis got a another investigator and

1193
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,720
you know we hightailed it to his house

1194
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,800
when we got there we pulled up in his

1195
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,720
driveway and

1196
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:51,280
he was very very excited to see us and

1197
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,960
immediately as we got out of the car

1198
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,319
just walked us to the end of his

1199
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,480
driveway and pointed out over

1200
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:58,800
his backyard

1201
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,000
up in the sky and he he was telling us

1202
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,319
to you know look up there do you see

1203
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,960
this and he's pointing things out and at

1204
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:09,280
first it was a little difficult um but

1205
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,400
then

1206
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,400
i'm making it out and i'm thinking oh my

1207
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,400
gosh there's like these little lights

1208
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:16,160
and

1209
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,520
together

1210
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:23,520
it's something that i'd never really

1211
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,400
seen before so i was excited

1212
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,680
and

1213
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:29,119
it's it's almost like they were

1214
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,400
performing

1215
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,960
um like a military you know uh like the

1216
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,800
blue angels or something

1217
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,240
practicing you know where they're all in

1218
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:38,400
formation then they break off and then

1219
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,839
they come back and and retry that same

1220
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,720
drill well

1221
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,240
then he looks he goes oh there's another

1222
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,480
bunch and i look over to the witness and

1223
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,800
he's pointing you know to the left

1224
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,359
more to the left part of the sky

1225
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:53,200
and sure enough there's another group

1226
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,560
well during this time it's getting

1227
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:57,119
darker so now it's easier to see these

1228
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,720
and i'm just fascinated i remember

1229
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,800
looking at the other witness and

1230
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,800
you know i'm about ready to happy dance

1231
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,160
you know i'm keeping my professional

1232
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,319
demeanor but i'm ready to break it out

1233
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:08,000
because i'm

1234
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:09,280
loving this

1235
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,640
but at the same time i'm you know

1236
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,800
looking at my tablet i'm trying to look

1237
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,800
at that stellarium you know what's up

1238
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:16,800
there what should be up there that we

1239
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,920
know of um what else could this be

1240
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,240
i don't like satellite apps because you

1241
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,000
know is china really going to tell us

1242
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,240
where their satellites are or you know

1243
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,800
even ours is nsa going to say so i

1244
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,440
really don't focus too much on those

1245
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,760
type of apps but i kind of looked anyway

1246
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,280
because i couldn't believe what i'm

1247
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:36,720
seeing up here

1248
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,200
well it wasn't too too long maybe 45

1249
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:40,880
minutes we stood there and then he he

1250
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,240
suggested we go into his corn field

1251
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,720
because it was about 100 acres right

1252
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,920
down the road

1253
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,319
and the corn at this time because this

1254
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,800
is april may time frame

1255
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,040
and the corn was only about four or five

1256
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,520
inches high and very pliable so we could

1257
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,119
drive walk and it was going to hurt the

1258
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,280
crops but he said that's where we could

1259
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,000
get this humongous panoramic view so

1260
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,000
sure enough we're like let's go we jump

1261
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,800
in his truck we he takes us down

1262
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,319
here and

1263
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:12,000
honestly guys it's the biggest cornfield

1264
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,359
i've ever seen you know a little girl

1265
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:14,880
from rhode island i'm like you own all

1266
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:17,920
this it was crazy but we do we move her

1267
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,440
um he drives a truck into the field and

1268
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:23,920
we maneuver further into the middle of

1269
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,640
it

1270
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,720
and i'm setting up all my equipment you

1271
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:29,280
know tri-field meters you know all these

1272
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,800
compasses um i i had four different

1273
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,880
cameras different makes and models i'm

1274
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,960
setting all you know my little bag out

1275
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,480
because i love that stuff

1276
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,480
and all of a sudden the witness says oh

1277
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,720
my gosh i think this is it chase here it

1278
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,680
comes

1279
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,000
and i remember looking up and i see a

1280
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,160
light off in the distance and what

1281
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,240
surprised me is i expected to see the

1282
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,319
little dots in the sky like we had seen

1283
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,480
earlier and that's not what it was it

1284
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,880
was clearly like a plane coming at you

1285
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,319
when you see that headlight and you're

1286
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,680
thinking oh what's that light and then

1287
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,000
it turns and it's clearly a plane it was

1288
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,839
almost that bright but it was definitely

1289
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:05,680
a white light and it's like heading

1290
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,800
towards us

1291
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,720
so i'm standing there watching i'm kind

1292
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,960
of leaning down grabbing my camera at

1293
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,599
the same time and i noticed two more

1294
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,920
white lights pop in behind it and i'm

1295
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:17,359
thinking oh my gosh there's three of

1296
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,240
them now

1297
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,119
well as the craft started getting closer

1298
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,720
it was that you could clearly see it's

1299
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,720
no longer three different lights or

1300
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:27,440
three different crafts it was

1301
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,720
one big one with these three lights and

1302
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,119
i honestly just remember just standing

1303
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:36,000
there absolutely blown away because i'm

1304
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:39,280
looking at this object come near us and

1305
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,720
i'm thinking oh my gosh that's that

1306
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:42,640
triangle like we've heard about these

1307
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,000
and it's right there it unbelievable

1308
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,559
and the way it moved was very very odd

1309
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:49,760
because

1310
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,280
it wasn't flying it wasn't being pulled

1311
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:55,760
it wasn't floating or drifting but those

1312
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,280
are probably the better words for it but

1313
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:01,520
the way it moved was completely

1314
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:04,880
different absolutely silent this craft

1315
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:08,000
literally as it comes closer to us

1316
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,680
you start seeing the outline of the

1317
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,800
triangle

1318
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,880
especially against the stars in the

1319
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,160
background

1320
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:16,480
and it flies right over our head

1321
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,359
well i'm frustrated guys because i'm

1322
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:20,640
reaching down i'm pulling up my

1323
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:23,119
equipment and nothing is working like

1324
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,760
everything is just dead my first thought

1325
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,920
was we just had battery drained this is

1326
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,920
common and you know paranormal bigfoot

1327
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:32,079
you know all the phenomenas and i'm like

1328
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,240
son of a so i was very very aggravated i

1329
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,079
did manage it happens

1330
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:40,480
yeah oh my gosh i and to be an

1331
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,880
investigator and for me this is the

1332
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,720
first i've seen things i can't explain

1333
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,640
absolutely i've been doing it for 20

1334
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,319
almost 24 years

1335
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,000
but when you're standing there seeing

1336
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,800
something that blatant it was big it was

1337
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,280
ominous it was right there

1338
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,520
and i have nothing like my cameras all

1339
00:51:02,470 --> 00:50:59,440
four of them nothing's working

1340
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,480
well eventually you know it's flying off

1341
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,319
nobody's really saying anything i think

1342
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,319
i mentioned i was going to throw this

1343
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,720
blanket camera across the field

1344
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,200
i was so frustrated but we're really not

1345
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,599
saying anything and as the craft gets

1346
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,079
further away i remember picking up my

1347
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,480
camera and just trying again and

1348
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,079
actually i have a few shots of it

1349
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:22,880
leaving but i don't have those close-ups

1350
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,119
let's stop and do a break okay all right

1351
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:27,520
this is a good cliffhanger time so let's

1352
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,319
hang the cliff we have chase kletzke

1353
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:32,160
with gene and chris you're in the

1354
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,349
thank you for listening to gcn

1355
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:44,190
visit

1356
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:49,990
attack of the rockoids has been well

1357
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:52,319
received by critics and readers alike

1358
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,920
it's a thrill-a-minute story you'll

1359
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,280
never forget

1360
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,280
a former u.s military intelligence

1361
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,680
officer is haunted by intense dreams

1362
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,240
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

1363
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:04,640
help after a terrible battle in outer

1364
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:05,680
space

1365
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,839
but the dreams turn out to be true and

1366
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:09,839
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

1367
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:12,559
with a woman whose far away planet is

1368
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,440
intent on destroying the earth and now

1369
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:17,680
the gripping tale continues in the

1370
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,319
coming of the protectors it's the second

1371
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,119
book of the rockoids trilogy a galaxy

1372
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,119
spanning adventure that pits our hapless

1373
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,680
heroes against powerful fanatical

1374
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:29,839
enemies that threaten the lives of

1375
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,720
freedom-loving beings everywhere attack

1376
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,200
of the rochoids and the coming of the

1377
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,160
protectors classic science fiction at

1378
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:40,400
its best available now

1379
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,599
for more details visit rocoids.com

1380
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:45,599
that's r o c k

1381
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:46,559
d

1382
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:54,960
living alone in their house

1383
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,520
hi i'm joan lunden listen i know how

1384
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,000
difficult it is to find senior care for

1385
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,400
someone you love that's why i recommend

1386
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,280
a free service called a place for mom

1387
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,200
they are the nation's largest senior

1388
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,119
living referral service

1389
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,119
call a place for mom today

1390
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,200
to receive free information on senior

1391
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:15,599
living communities in your area call a

1392
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:23,750
a place for mom offers free one-on-one

1393
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,319
advice from local advisors and a

1394
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,319
personalized list of senior living

1395
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,480
communities you can visit if you have

1396
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:32,800
questions about senior care for your mom

1397
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:35,200
or dad there's a place for answers a

1398
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,559
place for mom

1399
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,359
minutes to get your free ebook on

1400
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,200
financing senior care as well as free

1401
00:53:45,309 --> 00:53:43,040
information on senior living communities

1402
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:45,319
in your area call

1403
00:54:03,510 --> 00:53:59,829
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1404
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,520
standard of paranormal radio

1405
00:54:08,110 --> 00:54:04,800
and now

1406
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:08,120
here's jane steinberg

1407
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,589
so this is almost like the classic

1408
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,280
electromagnetic

1409
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,280
problem where things stop working when

1410
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,200
the ufo is close by

1411
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,440
as it disappears

1412
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:23,839
it gets better did you have a mechanical

1413
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,040
and slr camera a film camera that's just

1414
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,359
not digital but pure purely mechanical

1415
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,040
you are so funny because that's the

1416
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,119
biggest lesson i came off of this case

1417
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:35,280
with is a good old-fashioned disposable

1418
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,839
walmart

1419
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,680
exactly the fanciest freaking equipment

1420
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:41,119
on the planet

1421
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:42,559
some of my best shots have come with a

1422
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:45,760
box camera exactly wow well continue

1423
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,559
this is uh i mean it's so rare for

1424
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,000
someone with the kind of experience you

1425
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:52,000
have in the field to actually have a

1426
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,520
witness that says get over here right

1427
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:55,760
now i i know that feeling and it's

1428
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,319
really exciting when when you can get a

1429
00:55:01,829 --> 00:55:00,319
real-time report and then

1430
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,839
you know hop up on your roof or jump in

1431
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,520
your car i think this is great so

1432
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,440
continue on you got a few shots as it's

1433
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,359
leaving what happened next

1434
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,680
well i realized the camera that was back

1435
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,280
on so i started testing my other

1436
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,680
equipment and it was the first time that

1437
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:16,240
it hit me this wasn't battery drain it's

1438
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,280
almost like it was jammed or frozen but

1439
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,599
it just wasn't working and now all of a

1440
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,760
sudden everything was back online you

1441
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,760
know so i'm remembering this in my head

1442
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,000
thinking i i need to remember

1443
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,480
but i was still nervous

1444
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:33,040
with the equipment and still wanted to

1445
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:34,400
run some tests so i remember picking up

1446
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,599
my tri-field i'm gonna change the

1447
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,839
batteries on it anyway the backing has

1448
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,200
those little screws in it that you have

1449
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,760
to take out so i'm literally unscrewing

1450
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,079
the back of this and all of a sudden

1451
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,160
i don't even know why i said this

1452
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:48,319
but i turned around i said anybody else

1453
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,319
feel like you're being watched and i

1454
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,559
said and i don't mean from up here and

1455
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:54,480
it was at right after i said that

1456
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,599
because i don't remember a reply but it

1457
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,200
was right then

1458
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,079
i felt this fear like and it wasn't like

1459
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:04,480
i got nervous or fight or flight

1460
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,799
there was all of a sudden this feeling

1461
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,520
that was pounded into us it was physical

1462
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,920
it was devastating

1463
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,799
it just

1464
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,440
was pushed right on us and every single

1465
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:18,000
cell in my body was terrified

1466
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,520
period i just turned and started running

1467
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:23,599
i don't know why i did that nobody was

1468
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,319
nervous we were excited we just saw this

1469
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:29,040
humongous friggin triangle go over our

1470
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,760
heads this is what we do we're very

1471
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,680
excited at this point

1472
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,319
but now i'm running as fast as i can

1473
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,480
absolutely as fast as i can

1474
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,599
when i turn to run i do remember seeing

1475
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:44,400
the witness turn the exact same time

1476
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,119
same direction and he started running he

1477
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,440
was off to my right hand side when we

1478
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,599
did do this turn and start of running

1479
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:52,960
and i just remember running running

1480
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,559
running and then all of a sudden i hit a

1481
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,720
brick wall i i mean

1482
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:59,040
physically bam and stop dead in my

1483
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,000
tracks

1484
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,319
and i was shocked you know again it hurt

1485
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:04,240
it was it was shocking i

1486
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,720
you're very confused disoriented but i i

1487
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,640
didn't hit a wall it was the witness he

1488
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,079
had stopped in front of me and i ran

1489
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,480
right into him i remember at that point

1490
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:13,920
him saying

1491
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,920
what the f was at

1492
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,280
he had

1493
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:18,880
a halogen

1494
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,359
flashlight in his left hand and he took

1495
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,240
his arm and he swung it to the left and

1496
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,119
not six feet from us is this little

1497
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,520
being about three and a half foot tall

1498
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,760
that almost looked like the classic gray

1499
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:34,319
not quite close almost looked like that

1500
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,599
classic gray

1501
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,000
and i remember thinking oh my god it's

1502
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,559
not that cute little roswell alien and

1503
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,319
the next thing i knew we were running

1504
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,559
and we everybody was just booking the

1505
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:46,559
other investigator i hadn't seen her

1506
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,760
until we had gotten to the truck we all

1507
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,160
jumped in the truck we bolted out of

1508
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,559
that cornfield we end up back in his

1509
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:55,839
driveway

1510
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:58,720
we all get out of the truck and

1511
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,280
nobody's saying anything i just remember

1512
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,599
breaking the silence by kind of giggling

1513
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:05,520
a little thing and i just said

1514
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:06,319
like

1515
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,319
gosh

1516
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:12,079
i looked at the other investigator and

1517
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:12,880
said

1518
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:15,359
you guys we can't talk about this i told

1519
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,160
her to call the state director because

1520
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:20,160
now the investigators have just become

1521
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:21,280
witnesses

1522
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,720
this has gotten out of hand it's bigger

1523
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:24,720
than us we need other people to come in

1524
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,440
because we can't talk about this anymore

1525
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,200
so if you become

1526
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:31,839
part of the episode part of the case

1527
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:34,480
at that point it's kind of like they do

1528
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:35,280
on

1529
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:38,400
crime procedurals you recuse yourself

1530
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,680
exactly

1531
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,040
absolutely

1532
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,920
i continued to investigate but not until

1533
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:46,000
we had other people on the

1534
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,040
tennessee state director was on this but

1535
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:51,440
max mitchell or also came down

1536
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,920
immediately like max mitchell i'm sorry

1537
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,839
eddie middleton the tennessee state

1538
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:57,680
director was there immediately he was

1539
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:00,160
there the very next day we all were

1540
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:03,520
obviously this freaking thing but um

1541
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,079
yes i was no longer the lead on this

1542
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:08,240
other people took over the investigation

1543
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,119
however i stayed involved um

1544
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,200
because i wasn't going anywhere not

1545
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,599
after what had just happened to us

1546
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:17,440
but it was after we got out of the

1547
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,720
vehicles

1548
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:20,640
that first thing is i can't remember

1549
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,599
when that fear left i i can't describe

1550
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,440
to you guys what that kind of terror

1551
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:27,680
felt like it was physical i have a knot

1552
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:30,000
in my stomach talking about it now

1553
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,880
um

1554
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:32,400
after all these years

1555
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,880
that fear is brutal

1556
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:36,720
i remember my seven when i was seven

1557
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,720
years old my experience when those when

1558
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,880
those beings turned sideways to the to

1559
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,640
the street light and came through like

1560
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:44,319
like pieces of paper like they had no

1561
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,280
depth

1562
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,280
i know that fear yeah

1563
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:48,960
i believe it was something put on us

1564
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:51,760
whatever was going on that evening we

1565
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:53,119
were not supposed to be in the middle of

1566
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,960
that cornfield i think it's the only way

1567
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,559
they could get us out

1568
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:58,640
and that's the best i could come up with

1569
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:00,319
i'm still trying to figure out what's

1570
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:01,680
going on

1571
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,160
because i did leave

1572
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,960
that scene and that event and

1573
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:08,400
two things

1574
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:11,839
i still will say today one bullcrap

1575
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:14,240
nobody gets everything in one night the

1576
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:17,599
most perfect triangle and a little being

1577
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,839
there was something in my gut telling me

1578
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:21,839
something was off that night that i

1579
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,040
can't shake i have that feeling

1580
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:27,760
from my gut however nothing came from

1581
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,400
that

1582
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,480
but we were back in the corn field i i

1583
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,160
can't remember when the fear left and

1584
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:34,960
then of course my next question was

1585
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:37,280
why the heck did we run it didn't even

1586
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:39,200
make sense guys because

1587
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,720
this witness in this very um vast

1588
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,799
area of you know nothing but farmland

1589
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,400
and pastures and

1590
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,240
um the closest neighbors eight miles

1591
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,640
down the road type of you know situation

1592
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,960
they lived when we first got there into

1593
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,880
the corn field uh we get out of the

1594
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,960
truck kind of you know

1595
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,640
pulling the back down so i can set up my

1596
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,880
equipment and he pulls out this huge

1597
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:02,000
shotgun

1598
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,440
and i kind of looked at him like oh

1599
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,440
and i remember him saying no no no chase

1600
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,839
no no no i'm not a serial killer or

1601
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,760
anything he said we have a problem with

1602
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:13,760
coyotes out here and you know this is

1603
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:16,960
for the protection he reached over the

1604
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:19,440
tailgate and put the the gun further

1605
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,400
back but within reach this isn't a guy

1606
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:25,040
who's used to running he didn't say if

1607
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,720
we see some coyotes running across the

1608
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,880
field you girls jump up here

1609
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:30,720
he brought a gun because this is the

1610
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,200
mentality you don't dial 9-1-1 in this

1611
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,520
area you take care of it and then if you

1612
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,200
need the police to come that's when you

1613
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,280
dial it for all of us to run out of that

1614
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:41,280
cornfield i still don't understand it

1615
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:44,240
i'm not a runner i'm i'm tenacious you

1616
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:47,359
know i love to kick doors down so

1617
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:49,680
you know there's there's not a lot of

1618
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:51,520
intimidation

1619
01:01:55,030 --> 01:01:52,880
that would be

1620
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:55,040
described in my character

1621
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:58,160
so too bad you didn't have a stinger

1622
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,160
right well this leads me to some

1623
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,720
questions from honeypot he's saying well

1624
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,720
you know why not just accept or suggest

1625
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,240
that this is being done by some humans

1626
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:08,400
that have the ability to project this

1627
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,400
technology at night you know that the

1628
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:12,000
military and other developers of this

1629
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:13,760
technology have powerful psychological

1630
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,000
weapons uh you know psychotronic type

1631
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:18,400
weapons for use at nighttime uh that you

1632
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:20,000
would be a perfect target to spread the

1633
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,960
word about ufos and he's suggesting or

1634
01:02:27,030 --> 01:02:24,799
she's suggesting that someone targeted

1635
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:27,040
you to demonstrate this technology

1636
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:28,559
you're a perfect target and set up with

1637
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,559
everything on cue so do you think that

1638
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:32,240
this could have been some sort of weird

1639
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,280
psyops type projected image let's say of

1640
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,680
of the being or that these uh that could

1641
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:39,520
have been a lighter than air let's say

1642
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,319
uh

1643
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:42,799
ship i'm just asking their questions i i

1644
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,599
would have my answers but 100

1645
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,440
that not only is that considered but

1646
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:49,680
that's considered one of the most viable

1647
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,000
explanations to that evening the problem

1648
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,480
is we can't prove it and

1649
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,480
the other problem is is i don't believe

1650
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,559
this was more of a hoax situation

1651
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:00,400
because within a half hour we were right

1652
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:01,920
back in that field because now i'm

1653
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,880
thinking

1654
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:04,480
one um

1655
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,720
something i didn't mention this story

1656
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,880
but the cousins while we were in the

1657
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,400
field in the middle

1658
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,480
the cousins that he described that would

1659
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:14,079
you know be with him chasing down some

1660
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,520
of these objects

1661
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,599
came down to the cornfield i you know

1662
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,119
i'm sure they knew we were coming and

1663
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,200
just watching what we were doing they

1664
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:23,119
were off to the side we didn't speak to

1665
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:24,640
them or anything

1666
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:26,960
and i kind of wondered wow their timing

1667
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:30,240
was perfect i wonder if they had set up

1668
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,240
you know a little fake alien

1669
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:34,720
in the cornfield and then we see it

1670
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:36,880
there was a part of me i we went through

1671
01:03:45,930 --> 01:03:39,599
everything we have chase kletzke with

1672
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:47,589
[Music]

1673
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:50,400
do you need a website well you can get a

1674
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:52,799
great deal on hosting services with

1675
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,680
namecheap's legendary coupon code

1676
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,440
they're offering substantial hosting

1677
01:04:02,789 --> 01:03:59,440
discounts on shared hosting business

1678
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:02,799
hosting vps hosting reseller hosting and

1679
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,359
even dedicated servers name cheap is

1680
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:07,680
preferred by millions it's backed by a

1681
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,119
money back guarantee use the coupon code

1682
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:13,520
legendary to cash in on this special

1683
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,950
first game attack of the rockoids and it

1684
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:20,960
was a critically acclaimed success and

1685
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,319
now there is the coming of the

1686
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,240
protectors a former military

1687
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:26,400
intelligence man is contacted by a space

1688
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:28,559
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

1689
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:31,200
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

1690
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:32,799
her distant planet are planning to

1691
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,039
conquer the earth this is gripping

1692
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:37,599
science fiction of the classic kind

1693
01:04:41,470 --> 01:04:39,440
attack of the rockoids and the coming of

1694
01:04:44,349 --> 01:04:41,480
the protectors find out more at

1695
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,359
rockoaids.com that's rockoids

1696
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,880
r-o-c-k-o-i-d-s dot-com

1697
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,960
my computer is so slow it's making me

1698
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:50,799
crazy i used to have that problem did

1699
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:52,640
you quit using a computer or did you buy

1700
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:55,039
a new one no i called geeks on site they

1701
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,640
made an appointment to visit my home and

1702
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,319
showed up the same day you mean they

1703
01:05:01,670 --> 01:05:00,240
didn't ask you to bring your computer to

1704
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:01,680
a shop that's what happened when i

1705
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,520
called a support company geeks on site

1706
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:05,280
can go to your home or business or even

1707
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:07,599
repair your computer online they have 24

1708
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:09,599
7 emergency service if you're having

1709
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:11,839
problems with your pc or mac call geeks

1710
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,119
on site 1-800-591-1682

1711
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,039
our friendly certified computer repair

1712
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:19,920
experts are available 24 7. call now for

1713
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:23,760
a free diagnosis 1-800-591-1682

1714
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:25,599
data recovery virus removal and

1715
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:27,839
maintenance for all laptops desktops

1716
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:30,240
printers and networks that's geeks on

1717
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:32,240
site for friendly certified computer

1718
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,119
repair experts available 24 7 over the

1719
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:37,280
phone or in your home or business just

1720
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:39,160
call

1721
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:40,559
1-800-591-1682 that's

1722
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:51,349
destroy harmful bacteria allergens bed

1723
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:53,039
bugs dust mites fleas in your home with

1724
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:55,280
a ladybug steam vapor system the ladybug

1725
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,520
dies deep on surfaces without any toxic

1726
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:59,359
residue traditional control agents

1727
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:01,119
contain toxic chemicals which do more

1728
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,359
harm than good sanitize and disinfect

1729
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:05,119
using just water quick fast and

1730
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:07,200
surprisingly easy find out more now by

1731
01:06:12,109 --> 01:06:09,760
calling 800-997-6584

1732
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:12,119
ask for randy that's

1733
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:15,760
800-997-6584 or go to advap.com

1734
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,839
gcn that's advab.com gcn is negative

1735
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,079
content or comments on the web affecting

1736
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:24,400
your personal or professional reputation

1737
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:26,240
unfavorable comments embarrassing

1738
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,480
pictures videos legal documents and

1739
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:30,480
negative articles can ruin your personal

1740
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:32,720
life your career or your business it

1741
01:06:37,230 --> 01:06:35,280
happens a lot and it's just not fair but

1742
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:37,240
what can you do

1743
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,119
reputationdefender.com can help protect

1744
01:06:43,230 --> 01:06:41,280
your good name get a free consultation

1745
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:43,240
now call

1746
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,039
800.831.0771 that's

1747
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:47,119
eight three one zero seven seventy one

1748
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:48,960
call right now for a free expert

1749
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,599
reputation analysis it's easy to squash

1750
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,520
the unfair attacks with our patented

1751
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:55,680
system and the analysis is absolutely

1752
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:58,160
free make the best things about you jump

1753
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:00,160
out in searches protect your personal

1754
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:01,680
and professional reputation your

1755
01:07:06,109 --> 01:07:04,000
business and your income get your free

1756
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:06,119
reputation analysis from

1757
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,670
that's 800-831-071-800-831-0771

1758
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:17,069
or visit

1759
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,280
reputationdefender.com today so you've

1760
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,119
got to take a state construction license

1761
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:23,119
exam or certification can't decide on

1762
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,799
what books or what chapters to study

1763
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:26,880
discover right now how you can eliminate

1764
01:07:30,109 --> 01:07:29,280
unnecessary books and wasted study time

1765
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:30,119
at

1766
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:38,799
whether you're a plumber electrician

1767
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,799
general contractor or other construction

1768
01:07:46,990 --> 01:07:43,119
related trade contractor exam dot com

1769
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:47,000
will help get you prepared visit us at

1770
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:53,190
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

1771
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:55,599
comment or question about the paracast

1772
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:59,200
send it to news at the paracast.com

1773
01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:01,039
that's news

1774
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:03,680
cast dot com and don't forget to visit

1775
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:06,799
our famous paracast community forums at

1776
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,109
ah chase you

1777
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:15,119
do that justice

1778
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,239
thank you

1779
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:18,080
there was the consideration here whether

1780
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:20,480
this was all staged for you now you

1781
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:23,440
mentioned earlier that as it was leaving

1782
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:25,120
you did get some pictures when the

1783
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:26,799
cameras started working

1784
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,279
yeah what did they show those pictures

1785
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,199
they basically just showed a couple

1786
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,359
lights in the sky um the best we could

1787
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:36,319
do with the photo and the analysis was

1788
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,239
um they weren't photoshopped they

1789
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,400
weren't tampered with and

1790
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:42,159
just like every other

1791
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,080
freaking light in the sky

1792
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,080
we have lights in the sky

1793
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,560
now if this is a psyops thing

1794
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,400
how do they get your cameras to stop

1795
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,400
working and this is why we can't prove

1796
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,480
it there's other things about that

1797
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,480
evening that only came out later in

1798
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,159
investigation you know through

1799
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:00,960
interviews separately but once we had

1800
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,960
all that done together you know i didn't

1801
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:05,359
even know the other witness that was

1802
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:08,000
with us i'm sorry the other investigator

1803
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:09,440
and the reason i don't mention her name

1804
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:11,920
is she's completely left ufology

1805
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,319
a couple weeks after this event

1806
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,159
she got in a car and left she left her

1807
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:18,560
family her home her like everything and

1808
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,239
they nobody knew where she was for a

1809
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,480
long long time wow

1810
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:24,239
now when you found her because you said

1811
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:26,319
nobody knew for a long time

1812
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:27,839
did she say anything did she give any

1813
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,719
reason why she did this well no um

1814
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,400
because i wasn't part of that i wasn't

1815
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,799
real close to her however i will tell

1816
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:36,799
you that many people came out and

1817
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:39,520
investigated this case after many people

1818
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:41,920
had their hands in trying to find out

1819
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:44,719
what happened we were all together one

1820
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:46,560
time thank frigging goodness there was a

1821
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,159
little tennessee ufo conference uh

1822
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,199
travis walton was there speaking and we

1823
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:55,600
told the story for the first time

1824
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,480
and

1825
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:59,040
everybody was in the same room the other

1826
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,719
investigator was there

1827
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:02,400
eddie middleton

1828
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:05,520
max mitchell everybody that was involved

1829
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:08,000
in that investigation was in the room as

1830
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:09,760
we told the story one of the questions

1831
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:12,480
we got was was there any discrepancies

1832
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:15,600
at all between what anybody had to say

1833
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,120
for that evening

1834
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,360
in front of the entire conference the

1835
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:21,120
only thing that came up

1836
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:23,840
was we were all over the place when we

1837
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:26,000
tried to describe how high the triangle

1838
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:28,000
was not one of us was even close to the

1839
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,800
other

1840
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:30,480
that was the only discrepancy in the

1841
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,520
evening but i didn't realize that the

1842
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:35,679
other investigator from where she was

1843
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:37,600
standing in the field never saw the

1844
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,760
being she she never saw it for whatever

1845
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:40,960
reason i don't know if it was a

1846
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,440
flashlight i don't she was further i

1847
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:46,000
know she was standing further away from

1848
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:46,719
us

1849
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:48,080
so it could have been where she was

1850
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:50,480
running or she was already placed past

1851
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:53,600
it but forever whatever reason we knew

1852
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,239
pretty early on that she had not seen

1853
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:58,320
that being at the end of everything it

1854
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,040
was just the witness and myself that saw

1855
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:03,120
the being but she corroborated

1856
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:04,800
everything else of the evening she just

1857
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,679
didn't see that so this was right after

1858
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:09,920
the great flood that you know flooded

1859
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,280
memphis of nashville and the waters had

1860
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,280
receded enough but everything was still

1861
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:17,360
wet and murky and muddy

1862
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:19,760
i could retrace every step we made i

1863
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:21,920
could tell where you know we all turned

1864
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,400
i could even find exactly where i ran

1865
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:26,560
into that other witness what i couldn't

1866
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,520
find

1867
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:29,840
were any footprints

1868
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:32,960
you know leading you know say a fake

1869
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:35,840
prop of an alien in the middle of the

1870
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,880
field nor could i find any evidence of a

1871
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:40,400
being walking up

1872
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,080
you know this case was thoroughly

1873
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,400
thoroughly investigated we went after it

1874
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:46,640
forensically scientifically

1875
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,360
but honeypot is right right now there's

1876
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:52,080
basically in my in my personal opinion

1877
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,159
in my mind as a witness not an

1878
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:56,400
investigator there's only two things

1879
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:58,640
that could have happened either we were

1880
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:00,560
absolutely subject to that type of

1881
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:03,360
technology that i also know exists which

1882
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:05,840
makes sense to me by the way

1883
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:06,640
or

1884
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:09,520
this really did happen because what we

1885
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:12,159
saw that triangle i don't know how they

1886
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,280
worked this

1887
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:15,199
i would lay my life on the line that not

1888
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:16,719
only was that real but that being was

1889
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:18,560
biological and standing right there it

1890
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:19,920
was physical

1891
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:22,400
however i don't know what our technology

1892
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:23,120
is

1893
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:24,640
you know and the other reason it makes

1894
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,360
sense that the i could be targeted for

1895
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:29,760
something like this is because

1896
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:32,320
my husband is active duty my husband is

1897
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,000
a submarine commander

1898
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,640
and i don't know if what i do is an

1899
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:39,600
embarrassment to the boys

1900
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,600
but they couldn't shut me up right

1901
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:43,199
they're not gonna be what does he think

1902
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:44,640
of that i mean do you guys have an

1903
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:47,120
understanding uh is he okay with the

1904
01:12:50,030 --> 01:12:48,880
fact that you're you're actually getting

1905
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,040
involved in these types of

1906
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:52,400
investigations and and subject matter i

1907
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:53,840
mean what are his thinkings about that

1908
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:55,679
obviously he must be fairly okay with it

1909
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,000
because you're still doing it

1910
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,239
we've been married 30 years i can tell

1911
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:02,719
you he wished i'd i rather

1912
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:04,719
like knitting he doesn't like me going

1913
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,120
out to these vents

1914
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:09,360
could you just crochet something or knit

1915
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:10,719
some socks

1916
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:13,360
right or get into juicing or something

1917
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:16,320
else anything but this so no he he

1918
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:18,880
doesn't like it he's not a believer

1919
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:21,040
he thinks it's cute what i do but it

1920
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:22,480
makes me happy

1921
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:24,400
and he's also gone for six months at a

1922
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:27,040
time yes and unavailable even longer

1923
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:29,199
after that between the duty days and

1924
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,640
when they're getting prepared for

1925
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:32,560
deployments of things so when he was

1926
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,719
fast attacks definitely you know he was

1927
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:36,080
unavailable to his family nine and a

1928
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:37,920
half months a year so the first eight

1929
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:39,920
years we were married that's how he

1930
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:42,239
survived and i do think that's part of

1931
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:44,080
it that's such a good thing to bring up

1932
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:45,440
guys is i think

1933
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:48,239
he realizes that you know i stood by

1934
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,239
really tough times and you know when he

1935
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:52,560
was absent a lot you know i sucked it up

1936
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:54,080
because i loved him you know you suck it

1937
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:55,679
up and you keep the home going and you

1938
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,320
keep the family strong and all about dad

1939
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:00,480
and you know i raised two boys

1940
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:03,199
we raised two boys and they absolutely

1941
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:05,120
worshipped their father i think boys

1942
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,080
needed dads i need a hero so you know

1943
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:10,560
but i think all of that plays in you

1944
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,800
know he's kind of a golden boy you know

1945
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:14,880
if the navy couldn't shut me up and my

1946
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:17,600
husband to his credit has never once

1947
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:21,120
told me to shut up or quit you have two

1948
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:23,120
boys how old are they

1949
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:25,760
and do they have any interest at all in

1950
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:26,880
this stuff

1951
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:30,719
my oldest son is 35 and my youngest son

1952
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:33,920
is 27.

1953
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,320
i think so so impossible you look like a

1954
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:38,000
kid

1955
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:41,920
started pretty young there girl it was i

1956
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:48,870
but yeah their older children uh they do

1957
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:51,840
not um they're both active duty as well

1958
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:53,840
so my youngest you're in a military

1959
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:57,360
family then yeah absolutely absolutely

1960
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:58,320
and

1961
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:00,800
so honestly um but my youngest they're

1962
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:04,320
interested but um again it's it's very

1963
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:05,920
cursory

1964
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:07,360
like the average person that would be

1965
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,800
going through and hit this you know

1966
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:10,480
history channel and see an episode of

1967
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,400
ghost hunters or something they would

1968
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:14,080
really like it and they're interested

1969
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,679
but they're not going anywhere on the

1970
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:17,280
internet with it so

1971
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:20,159
but my grandchildren which my oldest is

1972
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:21,840
13 and

1973
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:23,920
they love this they know what i do and

1974
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,480
they're always asking questions and you

1975
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:28,560
know everywhere i go on an investigation

1976
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,159
been in the uh

1977
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,880
louisiana in the swamps looking for the

1978
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:35,280
honey island swamp monster i've been in

1979
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:37,280
the coal mines of kentucky and

1980
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,880
everywhere i go i pick him up something

1981
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:40,400
so i you know i actually might you know

1982
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:41,920
grab a little piece of coal on my way

1983
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,679
out put it in my pocket

1984
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:45,440
so you know he just thinks it's really

1985
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:47,120
cool what i do it does tend to skip a

1986
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,040
generation like that that's why native

1987
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:51,440
american grandparents end up training

1988
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,120
the grandkids and

1989
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:55,120
medicine information healing that sort

1990
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:56,080
of thing

1991
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:57,440
this kind of brings us to a question

1992
01:16:00,510 --> 01:15:59,760
from one of our our female participants

1993
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:00,520
at

1994
01:16:04,709 --> 01:16:02,640
forum.theparacast.com sue she's been a

1995
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,719
member of the forum for three years and

1996
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:06,640
she asked good questions and

1997
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:08,560
and she's really excited that you're on

1998
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:10,880
and she wants to know why so few women

1999
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:12,960
are or have been involved in ufology to

2000
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:14,960
date and she's she's wondering as a

2001
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,719
female actor in the field

2002
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:18,239
what do you consider your biggest

2003
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,320
challenges have been and and have they

2004
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:22,640
changed as your career progressed and

2005
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:24,080
are there any advantages to actually

2006
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:26,000
being a female investigator that's the

2007
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:28,239
first set of questions chase you'll

2008
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:29,840
answer those questions in our next

2009
01:16:36,650 --> 01:16:32,000
segment with gene and chris you're in

2010
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:39,030
[Music]

2011
01:16:43,229 --> 01:16:42,320
thank you for listening to gcn

2012
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:43,239
visit

2013
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,750
are your google search results killing

2014
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:52,080
you unflattering content in blogs news

2015
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,400
articles online reviews social media or

2016
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:55,920
other sources can jeopardize your

2017
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:57,840
reputation your business and your

2018
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:00,880
livelihood let reputation.com help our

2019
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,640
patented technology will make the truth

2020
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:04,400
about you more visible while pushing

2021
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,800
down unwanted negative content improve

2022
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:08,640
your google search results call

2023
01:17:12,030 --> 01:17:10,239
reputation.com

2024
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:12,040
at

2025
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:19,280
my dad was 59 when he collapsed from a

2026
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:20,960
heart attack late last year just this

2027
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,880
past august was when we spread his ashes

2028
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,960
on the saint croix river i loved my dad

2029
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:26,719
but boy was he stubborn he hadn't been

2030
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:29,280
to the doctor in over 25 years his

2031
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:31,440
excuse he simply couldn't afford it he

2032
01:17:35,229 --> 01:17:33,280
wasn't a rich man by any means at less

2033
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:35,239
than 107 dollars per month

2034
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:36,880
libertyoncall.org would have been the

2035
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,199
perfect alternative for my father don't

2036
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,320
wait go to libertyoncall.org right now

2037
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:44,080
for not just your sake for the sake of

2038
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:45,360
your loved ones again that's

2039
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:51,350
hi this is dr joel wallick the mineral

2040
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:53,199
doctor you've heard me talk about 94

2041
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:55,679
life for years 60 minerals 16 vitamins

2042
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:58,159
12 amino acids 2 fatty acids you may not

2043
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,679
know this that i've actually designed

2044
01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:01,679
arthur decks for animals

2045
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:03,520
that's right

2046
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:06,080
your pets need 90 for life too

2047
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:07,600
get this essential pet product by

2048
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:12,990
that's

2049
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:21,110
you haven't experienced yogurt until

2050
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,199
you've tried a mossy embodying health

2051
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,440
and flavor in a true whole milk green

2052
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:27,679
fed dairy beverage every sip pays homage

2053
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,600
to our old world cows and the ancient

2054
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,199
culturing methods their milk benefits

2055
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:33,600
from with over 30 probiotics omasi's

2056
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:36,080
undeniably nutritious refined cultured

2057
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:37,840
sensation bolsters your health and

2058
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,239
awakens your passion for dairy a musty

2059
01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:42,400
so good and you need to try it contact

2060
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:45,480
your youngevity distributor or call

2061
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,360
877-878-4203 or go to gcnt.com

2062
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:51,120
we use mobile devices right against our

2063
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:53,199
bodies every day but growing scientific

2064
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,800
evidence has emerged showing serious

2065
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,640
health risks associated with exposure to

2066
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,800
emf radiation emitted from these devices

2067
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:00,960
the solution is defender shield the most

2068
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:02,560
effective mobile radiation shielding

2069
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:04,159
ever developed defender shield blocks

2070
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:06,320
virtually 100 percent of emf radiation

2071
01:19:10,910 --> 01:19:08,400
from cell phones tablets and laptops and

2072
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:10,920
starts at just 64.99 buy now at

2073
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:13,440
defendershield.com for 10 off use promo

2074
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:15,920
code gcn defendershield.com the

2075
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:17,679
worldwide leader in mobile radiation

2076
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,360
shielding

2077
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:21,679
for over five years you've been hearing

2078
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:24,080
about the berkey guy so you may know a

2079
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,480
few things about him for example you are

2080
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:28,880
well aware of the superior quality and

2081
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:30,800
effectiveness of berkey water filters

2082
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:33,120
and accessories but did you know the

2083
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:35,199
berkeys have had independent lab tests

2084
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:37,120
done to prove just how effective they

2085
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:39,440
are it's true and he can email you the

2086
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:42,159
test results just visit go berkey dot

2087
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,239
com you may also know that the berkey

2088
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:46,159
guy has helped tens of thousands of

2089
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:48,159
people get better prepared now here's

2090
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:50,880
something you may not know goberky.com

2091
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,520
has amazing specials and deals all the

2092
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:55,679
time on a wide variety of survival and

2093
01:20:00,830 --> 01:19:58,239
preparedness products most ready to ship

2094
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:00,840
same day visit the berkey guy at

2095
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:03,520
goberke.com and be sure to click the red

2096
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:05,840
products on sale now button you can

2097
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:14,840
again that's

2098
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:17,110
[Music]

2099
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:18,560
of the berkey 877-886-3653

2100
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:19,679
paid non-attorney spokesperson adam

2101
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:20,719
pelaski of the palestinian law firm with

2102
01:20:22,630 --> 01:20:21,760
principal office and used to taxes the

2103
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:22,640
attorney responsible for the content of

2104
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:23,760
this ad this ad is not legal advice and

2105
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:24,480
the choice of a lawyer should not be

2106
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:25,760
basically advertisement services may not

2107
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:26,960
be available in all states attention

2108
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:29,120
zarato users if you or a loved one took

2109
01:20:32,630 --> 01:20:30,960
xarelto and suffered a serious bleeding

2110
01:20:34,630 --> 01:20:32,640
event you may be entitled to financial

2111
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:34,640
compensation xaroto is a popular

2112
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:35,840
prescription blood thinner used to

2113
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:37,520
prevent blood clots and protect patients

2114
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,880
from strokes these serious bleeding

2115
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,320
events have led to numerous cases of

2116
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:42,080
hospitalization and even death phone

2117
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:45,040
lines are open 24 7. call

2118
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:46,239
nine three seven 800-261-0937 eight

2119
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:48,000
hundred two six one zero nine three

2120
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:50,110
seven

2121
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:57,669
hi this is bryce abel i'm the producer

2122
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:59,840
of dark skies the co-author of ad after

2123
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:01,600
disclosure and you are listening to the

2124
01:21:06,230 --> 01:21:04,960
paracast the gold standard of paranormal

2125
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:06,240
radio

2126
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:13,280
[Music]

2127
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:14,550
okay a question

2128
01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:17,040
on the table for chase klitsky our guest

2129
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:18,640
this week in the power cast with jean

2130
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:20,480
and chris go ahead please

2131
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:22,480
sue thank you those are amazing

2132
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:24,080
questions and

2133
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:26,239
um i've never really considered myself a

2134
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:28,480
female investigator

2135
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:31,040
i think i'm too busy and working

2136
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,760
but

2137
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:33,440
she's absolutely right it does come up

2138
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:35,440
every once in a while and

2139
01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:39,280
the ufo field can be at times kind of a

2140
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:41,360
little good old boys club

2141
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:43,280
that's difficult it's difficult

2142
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:45,679
sometimes it's why i'm enjoying this

2143
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:47,199
interview so much there are times when

2144
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:48,000
i'll

2145
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:50,080
maybe get asked to do another show and i

2146
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:52,800
get the cute fluff questions and the

2147
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:55,360
truth is is i'm out here you know

2148
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,440
kicking doors just as hard as anyone

2149
01:22:01,669 --> 01:21:59,760
else and you know

2150
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:01,679
really digging in and coming up with

2151
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:04,239
some great content and

2152
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:05,920
we don't get the credit sometimes like

2153
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:09,040
the boys will and that's okay one day

2154
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:10,960
there are exceptions i mean you have of

2155
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:13,199
course jenny randalls and anne druffle

2156
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:15,679
and linda howe um there have been

2157
01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:18,239
exceptions but it must must be

2158
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:20,000
uh difficult to

2159
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:21,280
to

2160
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:25,520
in dealing with you um i i personally

2161
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:27,920
have i think more women way more women

2162
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,840
should be involved because number one

2163
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:31,280
women tend to have a better bedside

2164
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,360
manner with witnesses i think they have

2165
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:35,199
an intuitive sense that some guys sort

2166
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:36,080
of

2167
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:38,159
sublimate or don't pay attention to i

2168
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:39,840
mean there's a lot of advantages at

2169
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,480
least in my perceptions of of having

2170
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:44,719
women out in the field but

2171
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:47,679
you know what advice would you give uh

2172
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:49,520
young people who want to get involved in

2173
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:51,920
this especially women based on how your

2174
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:53,760
career has progressed

2175
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:55,360
what sort of advice would you give

2176
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:58,000
somebody uh you know a a teenage girl

2177
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:59,760
for instance with a passion for the

2178
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:01,040
subject matter that wants to get

2179
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:03,120
involved besides dealing with the old

2180
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:05,120
boys club which they're all dying off

2181
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:06,639
eventually here but

2182
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:08,800
you're right it is an older group i

2183
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:11,520
think the first advice is don't identify

2184
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:14,400
yourself as a female investigator i you

2185
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,719
know if you want to be an equal

2186
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:18,960
if you want it you have to be that so be

2187
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:21,440
good at your job uh don't worry about

2188
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:23,600
being female get in there and and play

2189
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:26,480
hard that would be my first advice my my

2190
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:28,800
second piece of advice is don't try to

2191
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:30,480
break into place they already don't want

2192
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:31,360
you

2193
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:35,600
well don't act like the guy to get in

2194
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:37,040
there they don't want you and you're not

2195
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,440
going to be happy there so you know let

2196
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:41,600
them have their space it's okay create

2197
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:44,080
your own i think sometimes you know i'm

2198
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:46,239
so busy working in my own yard

2199
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:47,600
i don't even know if the neighbors is

2200
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,400
greener

2201
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:50,480
that's the mentality i really would like

2202
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:52,960
these girls and the the biggest thing

2203
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:54,560
and we see this i call it the

2204
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:57,199
kardashians of today you know they want

2205
01:24:02,629 --> 01:23:58,719
famous for nothing

2206
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:02,639
do not use your femininity to gain

2207
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:05,360
attention or tr think that that's going

2208
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:06,719
to give you

2209
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:10,480
any kind of credentials out in the field

2210
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:14,239
it takes work it's hard it takes things

2211
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,679
you know time away from your family

2212
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:17,440
money out of your pocket

2213
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:20,000
and that's where you're going to find

2214
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:22,719
the credibility and respect at the end

2215
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:24,080
if you're looking for attention you can

2216
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:27,360
get it but don't use that femininity as

2217
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:29,280
a tool out here

2218
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:31,840
just be good just do your job let me

2219
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:33,440
take you to another realm because we're

2220
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:35,440
past the halfway point here and it's

2221
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:37,280
about your investigation you've covered

2222
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,679
obviously fairly typical or atypical

2223
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:41,920
sightings certainly that triangle is

2224
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:44,800
rather fascinating what about ufo

2225
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:46,639
abductions do you get personally

2226
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:48,400
involved in those or do you hand it off

2227
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:51,760
to someone like kathleen martin i will

2228
01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:54,239
take them so far absolutely and i'll

2229
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:56,719
help some of our researchers in that

2230
01:25:01,750 --> 01:25:00,239
community you know vet the witnesses um

2231
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:01,760
instead of just keep throwing them you

2232
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:04,719
know case after case i do but i also

2233
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:07,360
it's such a special population i don't

2234
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:09,760
think that just everybody even really

2235
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:13,040
good investigators it's a specialty you

2236
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:14,560
know our witnesses that believe that

2237
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,480
they're abducted or believe that they've

2238
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:18,960
had contact with things that are not

2239
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:21,600
supposed to exist deserve

2240
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:23,360
people with that professionalism and

2241
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:24,840
that

2242
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:27,120
specialty just like i would prefer

2243
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:29,199
people not try to collect evidence if

2244
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:31,280
they don't have proper tools so that's

2245
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:33,199
kind of you know i definitely will pass

2246
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:34,239
on

2247
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:35,600
witnesses

2248
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:37,840
at a certain point when i feel like i've

2249
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:40,320
done them as much as i could now let's

2250
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:41,280
get you

2251
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,120
in in a group that you're gonna get

2252
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:45,360
better better service

2253
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,080
that's a good answer i i think that uh

2254
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:49,920
it is a specialized

2255
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:52,000
talent and it's very controversial um

2256
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,600
and i think accredited professionals

2257
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,040
should be involved

2258
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,840
i've often said uh about my own personal

2259
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:59,920
uh up close and personal experience as a

2260
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:01,120
young boy

2261
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:03,120
that i don't need to know more about it

2262
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:05,520
i'm not that curious and i don't want to

2263
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:07,120
maybe it's a case of

2264
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:08,960
prying open pandora's box or something

2265
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,960
but if i ever did get regressed it

2266
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:12,400
wouldn't be by somebody that had

2267
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:14,560
absolutely no interest in the field and

2268
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:17,120
had no connection to the field at all

2269
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:19,360
that would be the only way i would do it

2270
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:22,560
where do you come down on on the whole

2271
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:25,600
abduction uh controversy

2272
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:26,719
there's

2273
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:29,120
a couple of questions here um that that

2274
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,880
have to deal with that and sue on to

2275
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:32,560
know what's your opinion on the use for

2276
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,719
instance of regressive hypnosis as an

2277
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:36,719
investigative tool

2278
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:38,719
absolutely i

2279
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:40,080
it's something that they would like to

2280
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:43,600
pursue like you chris i've been asked um

2281
01:26:47,830 --> 01:26:45,679
at least a hundred times

2282
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,840
would i like to go under and find out if

2283
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:49,600
anything more happened that we don't

2284
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:51,760
remember on that evening no i'm good

2285
01:26:54,950 --> 01:26:53,199
right now so

2286
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:54,960
i'm not the least bit curious i'm more

2287
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:57,600
curious about what happened

2288
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:00,080
versus what i'm not remembering

2289
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:03,120
but um i do believe that regression is a

2290
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:04,719
is a good tool

2291
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:05,840
but

2292
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,440
i would also not use ufo people i i

2293
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:11,760
don't use ufo people for my evidence my

2294
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:14,239
labs my analysis even my photos i just

2295
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:15,920
don't because i think it's like the

2296
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,480
prosecution trying to be a burden of

2297
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,480
proof with only their witnesses it's not

2298
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:22,320
going to happen guys

2299
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:24,000
if we're going to invest all this time

2300
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:26,960
and money into working cases especially

2301
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:29,840
when you have people

2302
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:30,719
that

2303
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:34,080
are absolutely experiencing something

2304
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:36,080
uh big

2305
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:38,000
you know we have to do it right it has

2306
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:39,760
to be done right and it has to be done

2307
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:41,760
scientifically professionally with

2308
01:27:46,149 --> 01:27:44,320
accredited people yeah i absolutely

2309
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,159
agree which kind of leads me to a

2310
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:48,560
question by eric the red he doesn't post

2311
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:50,000
many questions but when he does they're

2312
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:52,320
good ones and he's wondering um do you

2313
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:55,199
think it's at all likely that abductions

2314
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,960
are real and if so what do you think the

2315
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:59,120
best arguments are for thinking so

2316
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:00,719
where's the physical evidence that we

2317
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:03,280
all lust after that would be uh slam

2318
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:05,600
dunk to indicate that uh high strange

2319
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:07,199
events have happened other than people

2320
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:09,679
waking up with their you know underwear

2321
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,000
on uh their bed clothes on inside out

2322
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,080
and backwards that sort of thing where's

2323
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:16,400
the physical evidence where's the uh

2324
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:17,920
you know some sort of anything that we

2325
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:20,400
can sink our teeth into to determine

2326
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:21,679
once and for all that this is a real

2327
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:23,040
phenomenon and not completely

2328
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:24,800
psychological or

2329
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:26,320
somehow

2330
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:29,600
i don't know psychosocial in in nature

2331
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:32,639
that is a great question um i i consider

2332
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:34,960
this a lot because when it comes to

2333
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:38,000
physical testable evidence there's not a

2334
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:40,480
lot out there we hear about the

2335
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:43,600
implants uh well you know scoop marks

2336
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:45,040
you know there's physical traces

2337
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:47,199
physical effects but i know what he's

2338
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:49,120
talking about where's the absolute

2339
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,239
evidence

2340
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,400
and if we're dealing with a technology

2341
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:54,080
um when you're listening to the

2342
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:57,040
abductees and we now have decades of

2343
01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:58,560
witnesses

2344
01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:59,920
you know

2345
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:02,000
that's got to mean something when you

2346
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:02,880
have

2347
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:05,679
so many people and again don't think of

2348
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:08,080
these guys all as you know crazy loving

2349
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:11,520
lighters that's not the reality of um

2350
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:13,760
who claims that these experiences have

2351
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:17,199
happened to them it's a vast population

2352
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:19,840
it's a worldwide population

2353
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:20,719
um

2354
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:22,480
but

2355
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,800
think of what they're saying um

2356
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:26,639
i i saw these beings come through my

2357
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:28,800
wall um i was taken up and i went

2358
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,480
through my ceiling

2359
01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:32,719
if these are true it's a physics we

2360
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:34,639
haven't unlocked yet it's tomorrow's

2361
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:36,639
physics and i believe that's where the

2362
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:39,360
evidence is going to be however

2363
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:41,199
i i can't tell you how many times i'm

2364
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:43,840
frustrated as an investigator when i

2365
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:46,159
hear of an abductee saying that while

2366
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:48,000
they come through my door and the

2367
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:49,760
investigator i called him the next day

2368
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:51,440
and they were at my house and they wrote

2369
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:52,960
down what i said

2370
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:53,840
but

2371
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:55,920
nobody went and you know

2372
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:57,040
wiped a

2373
01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:59,760
you know a swab down where the witness

2374
01:30:03,669 --> 01:30:01,440
will tell you they came in

2375
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,679
we have to keep checking if even if

2376
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:05,760
evidence doesn't look obvious

2377
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:08,480
you know for me if a witness tells me

2378
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,560
that they saw a being come through their

2379
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:12,639
wall i'd go right up to that wall and

2380
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:15,280
start you know taking forensics i would

2381
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:18,800
you know swab it i would try luminol

2382
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:20,960
right whip out your black light yeah

2383
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:24,239
become the csi person to do that let's

2384
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:25,840
explore this further

2385
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:28,639
about investigating a possible abduction

2386
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:31,199
with chase kletsky and jean and chris

2387
01:30:43,390 --> 01:30:42,550
you are listening to gcn

2388
01:30:48,149 --> 01:30:43,400
visit

2389
01:30:53,270 --> 01:30:50,629
converter is the image manipulation tool

2390
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:53,280
for the rest of us it does not use any

2391
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:55,440
database you get full control of all

2392
01:31:00,629 --> 01:30:58,000
your files want to view the images of a

2393
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:00,639
folder drag it into graphic inverter and

2394
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:03,520
a powerful browser opens up to show your

2395
01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:05,360
image files you could use it for

2396
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:07,760
slideshows you could use it to import

2397
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:09,840
images from digital cameras or from

2398
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,400
scanners need to do some image editing

2399
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:14,400
you can do that too in graphic inverter

2400
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:17,520
also print catalogs convert from so many

2401
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:20,080
formats i can't even list them download

2402
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:22,400
now to see if graphic inverter is good

2403
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:25,120
for you like one and a half million

2404
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:27,360
other users guess what you could save

2405
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:29,840
money when you buy graphic inverter use

2406
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:32,719
the coupon code night owl use the coupon

2407
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:35,280
code nighthow to get a special price for

2408
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:38,400
graphic inverter go to lemkesoft.com

2409
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:42,840
that's l e m k e soft dot com

2410
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:47,520
lemkesoft.com l e m k e soft dot com

2411
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,679
destroy harmful bacteria allergens bed

2412
01:31:53,189 --> 01:31:51,360
bugs dust mites fleas in your home with

2413
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:53,199
the ladybug steam vapor system the

2414
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:55,199
ladybug dies deep on surfaces without

2415
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:57,440
any toxic residue traditional control

2416
01:32:01,189 --> 01:31:59,280
agents contain toxic chemicals which do

2417
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:01,199
more harm than good sanitize and

2418
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:03,440
disinfect using just water quick fast

2419
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:05,360
and surprisingly easy find out more now

2420
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:08,159
by calling 800-997-6584

2421
01:32:18,070 --> 01:32:12,750
or 800-997-6584 to

2422
01:32:21,110 --> 01:32:18,080
advap.com gcn that's advab.com gcn oh 10

2423
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,120
000 or more to the irs get on board with

2424
01:32:25,990 --> 01:32:23,520
the tax admiral don't take on the irs

2425
01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:26,000
alone i'll cut penalties and reduce your

2426
01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:28,400
overall tax bill sometimes i can even

2427
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:31,120
get it zeroed out completely we're an

2428
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:32,960
a-rated company helping people clean up

2429
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:35,440
their mess with the irs if you owe 10

2430
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:38,320
000 or more then call the tax admiral

2431
01:32:49,430 --> 01:32:40,880
call 800 287

2432
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:51,110
looking for that edge during those

2433
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:53,440
intimate moments we see many ads for

2434
01:32:58,070 --> 01:32:55,280
enhancement but the side effects include

2435
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:58,080
death at gcn team we should change the

2436
01:33:01,990 --> 01:33:00,000
healthy body brain and heart pack to the

2437
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:02,000
healthy libido pack the brain and heart

2438
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:03,840
are not the only organs that require a

2439
01:33:08,189 --> 01:33:06,239
healthy vascular system for proper blood

2440
01:33:11,550 --> 01:33:08,199
flow at the right moment go to

2441
01:33:14,590 --> 01:33:11,560
gcnteam.com or call

2442
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:14,600
877-878-4203 that's

2443
01:33:24,550 --> 01:33:22,470
are you worried about your mom or dad

2444
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:24,560
living alone in their house

2445
01:33:29,669 --> 01:33:27,199
hi i'm joan lunden listen i know how

2446
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:29,679
difficult it is to find senior care for

2447
01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:32,000
someone you love that's why i recommend

2448
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:34,960
a free service called a place for mom

2449
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:36,800
they are the nation's largest senior

2450
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:38,719
living referral service

2451
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:40,800
call a place for mom today

2452
01:33:45,189 --> 01:33:42,880
to receive free information on senior

2453
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:45,199
living communities in your area call a

2454
01:33:55,910 --> 01:33:53,350
a place for mom offers free one-on-one

2455
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:55,920
advice from local advisors and a

2456
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,000
personalized list of senior living

2457
01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:00,159
communities you can visit if you have

2458
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:02,400
questions about senior care for your mom

2459
01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:04,880
or dad there's a place for answers a

2460
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:06,159
place for mom

2461
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:08,960
minutes to get your free ebook on

2462
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:10,800
financing senior care as well as free

2463
01:34:14,910 --> 01:34:12,639
information on senior living communities

2464
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:14,920
in your area call

2465
01:34:21,189 --> 01:34:18,960
1-800-704-6182 that's 1-800-7046

2466
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:21,199
destroy harmful bacteria allergens bed

2467
01:34:25,189 --> 01:34:22,880
bugs dust mites fleas in your home with

2468
01:34:27,350 --> 01:34:25,199
a ladybug steam vapor system the ladybug

2469
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:27,360
dies deep on surfaces without any toxic

2470
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:29,280
residue traditional control agents

2471
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:31,040
contain toxic chemicals which do more

2472
01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:33,199
harm than good sanitize and disinfect

2473
01:34:37,030 --> 01:34:34,960
using just water quick fast and

2474
01:34:38,510 --> 01:34:37,040
surprisingly easy find out more now by

2475
01:34:41,950 --> 01:34:38,520
calling

2476
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:41,960
800-997-6584 ask for randy that's

2477
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:46,400
800-997-6584 or go to advap.com

2478
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:57,030
hey this is marie d jones the author of

2479
01:35:02,229 --> 01:34:59,600
this book is from the future

2480
01:35:08,180 --> 01:35:02,239
and you are listening to the paracast

2481
01:35:08,190 --> 01:35:13,510
[Music]

2482
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:15,590
you want to hear our second radio show

2483
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:17,280
after the powercast

2484
01:35:22,430 --> 01:35:19,760
there's only one way to do that and that

2485
01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:22,440
is to join the powercast plus at

2486
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:23,440
plus.thepowercast.com

2487
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:29,110
we offer also the ad free version of

2488
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:30,159
this show

2489
01:35:36,149 --> 01:35:32,960
all for a modest subscription fee

2490
01:35:37,669 --> 01:35:36,159
check it out plus.powercast.com

2491
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:37,679
chase kletzke

2492
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:40,159
ace investigator how's that it's so

2493
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:41,840
great to be with you guys this is a

2494
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:43,440
really good show

2495
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:44,960
well thank you that's the way of course

2496
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:47,520
you win brownie points here so this is

2497
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:49,360
something i've wondered about too

2498
01:35:53,669 --> 01:35:51,440
we have all these reports of ufo

2499
01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:53,679
abductions and this concerned me for

2500
01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:56,159
example just a couple of weeks back we

2501
01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:58,480
had phyllis spunker on the show and she

2502
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:01,280
mentioned analyzing betty hill's dress

2503
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:03,600
the one she wore during that abduction

2504
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:07,440
in 1961 but there was no alien dna on it

2505
01:36:11,910 --> 01:36:11,040
but they had powder the pink powder

2506
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:11,920
okay

2507
01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:13,679
did she talk about that

2508
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:16,000
she covered a lot of what she did yes

2509
01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:17,520
okay good

2510
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:20,560
okay so here is the question i have

2511
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:22,560
if all these things are happening how

2512
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:24,239
many people out there are doing what

2513
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:26,320
you're suggesting which is

2514
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:28,719
to try to take these tests look for

2515
01:36:33,910 --> 01:36:31,600
trace evidence unfortunately not many

2516
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:33,920
and that is

2517
01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:36,719
it isn't a concern but it it is a

2518
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:38,960
problem i believe

2519
01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:40,960
you know as an investigator we have to

2520
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:43,679
take personal responsibility mufon's not

2521
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:45,840
going to give you that equipment but

2522
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:47,840
every chance you can if you can buy one

2523
01:36:52,629 --> 01:36:50,960
more piece and i believe that if we need

2524
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:52,639
to scientifically

2525
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:54,560
prove things or if we're looking for

2526
01:37:00,390 --> 01:36:56,800
admissibility and to meet a burden of

2527
01:37:02,229 --> 01:37:00,400
proof and do right by our witnesses when

2528
01:37:04,470 --> 01:37:02,239
you know our phones ringing and we

2529
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:04,480
promise them we'll investigate

2530
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:06,239
we have to hone in on these skills you

2531
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:08,400
can't show up to an investigation

2532
01:37:12,550 --> 01:37:09,920
empty-handed

2533
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,560
people expect you to do your job

2534
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:14,000
you know for anybody listening out there

2535
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:15,600
if you have an investigator that's you

2536
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:17,040
know just listen to what you had to say

2537
01:37:21,270 --> 01:37:19,360
wrote some notes and left dude call

2538
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:21,280
someone else

2539
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:23,280
now that's an interesting point here

2540
01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:25,360
this is all predicated on the assumption

2541
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:27,119
that a ufo abduction

2542
01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:29,600
is an external physical event it's not

2543
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:31,840
happening internally it's not someone

2544
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:35,280
interacting with something right right

2545
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:37,840
to be i i wouldn't even

2546
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:40,239
touch a case like i would not accept a

2547
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:41,840
case if i if i thought this was

2548
01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:43,679
something internal i don't have the

2549
01:37:47,830 --> 01:37:46,159
skills or the background to

2550
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:47,840
do right by this witness i would

2551
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:49,760
definitely you know send them somewhere

2552
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:51,040
else or

2553
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:53,199
recommend people that they can talk to

2554
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:56,960
however i do believe abductions happen

2555
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:00,480
because of the witnesses and you know

2556
01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:03,040
there are things left behind

2557
01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:04,719
i'm not saying there's no physical

2558
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:07,360
evidence we haven't discovered it yet

2559
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:10,000
um we have things of medical reports of

2560
01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:13,199
you know women's uteruses being altered

2561
01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:14,080
when

2562
01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:16,320
you know not all a whole bunch but you

2563
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:18,719
know when three weeks earlier you know

2564
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:20,159
they were pregnant and that was

2565
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:22,560
documented and now there's absolutely

2566
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,760
nothing left

2567
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:25,440
although there's some syndromes like

2568
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:28,400
that case after case after case that was

2569
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:29,600
they're rare

2570
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:31,760
i had a case like that actually that um

2571
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:32,800
um

2572
01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:35,840
some uh it was a missing pregnancy and a

2573
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:37,600
stack of uh

2574
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:39,600
of evidence in fact a comment by the

2575
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:41,440
obstetrician uh

2576
01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:43,119
when they examined her it was like she

2577
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:45,840
had never been pregnant exactly

2578
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:49,119
now when you start seeing this being

2579
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,159
part of this abduction over decades you

2580
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:54,000
know women that aren't into the ufo

2581
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,880
phenomena women of all different ages

2582
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:58,560
and backgrounds

2583
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:00,880
all over the world what happens when you

2584
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:04,560
take somebody in a village of bolivia

2585
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:06,480
what part of history channel has she

2586
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:07,679
been watching

2587
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:09,840
nothing there's trading machetes and

2588
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,880
sheep

2589
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:12,560
why would she make something like that

2590
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:15,199
up it's you know so that's why i believe

2591
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:17,679
the abductions are real i know witness

2592
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:20,080
testimony is it something we're supposed

2593
01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:21,280
to

2594
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:23,119
come ponder and and look at the

2595
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:25,119
preponderance of evidence i understand

2596
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:27,840
that but sometimes it's just

2597
01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:29,760
overwhelming we have decades and decades

2598
01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:32,560
and decades of abductions betty and

2599
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:35,840
barney hill oh my gosh back in the early

2600
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,239
60s as a biracial couple coming out

2601
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:40,400
saying that they believed that you know

2602
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:42,400
they were abducted by aliens

2603
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:44,960
right these were people clearly not

2604
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:47,199
looking for attention give me a break

2605
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:49,360
that's crazy right there now the thing

2606
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:51,520
i'm wondering about here too and i think

2607
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:53,119
you maybe didn't understand what i was

2608
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:55,600
saying before i'm sorry that that

2609
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:57,840
something is an internal experience

2610
01:40:02,229 --> 01:40:00,159
which means it happened in their mind or

2611
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:02,239
they perceive something which doesn't

2612
01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:04,480
have a physical presence doesn't mean

2613
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:06,800
it's not real and doesn't mean there is

2614
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:09,600
no external cause do you get my point

2615
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:12,320
yes are you talking more paranormal like

2616
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:13,840
it would be verging on that in other

2617
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:16,000
words you know it could be some sort of

2618
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:17,040
um

2619
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,960
i don't know alternative timeline that

2620
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:20,560
they experience that they're somehow

2621
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,920
flashing on in this timeline let's say

2622
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:25,520
if you want to go with some sort of many

2623
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:26,560
worlds

2624
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,159
you know physics scenario that would be

2625
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:30,400
one example another example would be

2626
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:32,880
uh remembering something let's say from

2627
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:35,520
some past incarnation i mean you could

2628
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:38,000
come go down the list with with various

2629
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:40,719
potential explanations none of which

2630
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:42,560
would be seriously considered by any

2631
01:40:46,149 --> 01:40:44,639
sort of academic or or scientist for the

2632
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:46,159
most part but

2633
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:48,080
you know there are there is a

2634
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:51,119
physicality to the phenomenon there is a

2635
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:52,960
deeply psychological

2636
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,760
aspect to the phenomenon and there may

2637
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:57,600
be some sort of

2638
01:41:02,390 --> 01:41:00,080
gray area sort of an overlap there that

2639
01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:02,400
we as you have don't know we just don't

2640
01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:03,920
understand it

2641
01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:06,320
so it is a lot more complicated the

2642
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:07,360
abduction

2643
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:09,920
mystery to me i think just looking at

2644
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:12,000
where abduction claims occur around the

2645
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:13,920
planet you'll find that there's vast

2646
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,719
areas that do not experience this to our

2647
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:18,960
knowledge and there there are vast parts

2648
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:21,040
of the of of the globe that just this is

2649
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:23,760
not part of of any sort of cultural

2650
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:26,159
reality for lack of a better term you

2651
01:41:31,270 --> 01:41:28,239
know it's like seeing an alien gray this

2652
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:31,280
was a absolutely an american uh

2653
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:34,239
description for a long time before the

2654
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:36,239
media got a hold of it and then

2655
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:39,199
somehow we started getting you know

2656
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:41,199
descriptions of these creatures as being

2657
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:43,360
like alien grays coming from south

2658
01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:46,239
america coming from from europe but but

2659
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:48,800
it started out as being almost

2660
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:52,080
exclusively i think uh an american uh

2661
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:54,639
description um so i think we are dealing

2662
01:41:58,470 --> 01:41:56,800
with some cultural um elements that

2663
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,480
really have not been uh adequately

2664
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:00,880
explored at least that's my opinion but

2665
01:42:04,629 --> 01:42:02,719
let's let's move on because we're man

2666
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,639
this show is really flying by and i do

2667
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:06,560
have a bunch of questions here from our

2668
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:08,239
from it's amazing how many questions

2669
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:10,080
were posted just in the uh

2670
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:11,360
the short space of time that we

2671
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,719
announced that uh you were going to be

2672
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:14,960
on the show one thing that we do

2673
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:17,600
constantly cover here is the

2674
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:20,080
the role of true believers in the new

2675
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:20,960
age

2676
01:42:26,629 --> 01:42:24,239
and how people that have sort of

2677
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:26,639
you know suspended their disbelief

2678
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:28,960
tend to drive the field now with these

2679
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:32,000
these david wilcock and corey goode and

2680
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:34,080
andrew bassagio and all these you know

2681
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:36,560
serpo all these incredible claims that

2682
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:38,480
have absolutely no

2683
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:40,719
evidence to back them up and eric the

2684
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:43,040
red wants to know you know that the

2685
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:45,040
uncritical true believers new age ufo

2686
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:46,880
cultists and media sensationalists do

2687
01:42:51,669 --> 01:42:49,360
serious harm to the prospects of ufos

2688
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:51,679
being taken seriously as a real subject

2689
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,239
of investigation especially by academia

2690
01:42:59,109 --> 01:42:56,400
and the scientific community with your

2691
01:43:02,950 --> 01:42:59,119
experience of of almost 25 years what do

2692
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:02,960
you think should be done to somehow um

2693
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:05,360
you know ameliorate the the damage that

2694
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:07,280
these two believer types are doing to

2695
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:09,600
the field i mean what can we do

2696
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:11,360
you know that that is something we

2697
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:13,440
discuss all the time because

2698
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:16,480
um eric's absolutely right it's

2699
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,040
it's dominating and even at conferences

2700
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:21,920
or the television shows when you turn on

2701
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:24,400
and you know i call these proclamations

2702
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:25,360
and

2703
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,639
you know if the theories of ufos isn't

2704
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:30,960
um controversial enough let's let's pull

2705
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:33,520
in some of the other things but

2706
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:35,119
you know

2707
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,480
it's

2708
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:38,719
there's so few of us out here chris as

2709
01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:41,760
you know and gene it's so few of us out

2710
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:44,239
here that are really trying to

2711
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:47,280
attack this field dispassionately and

2712
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:49,040
looking to meet that admissibility and

2713
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:50,480
pardon the proof i mean that's what

2714
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:51,760
drives us

2715
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:53,199
how do we

2716
01:43:57,669 --> 01:43:55,840
you know challenge the other part of

2717
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:57,679
this trending

2718
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:58,560
um

2719
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:01,119
you know the latest trends in ufology i

2720
01:44:04,830 --> 01:44:02,800
i don't know the answer to that eric but

2721
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:04,840
boy if you find one let us know

2722
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:06,960
because um

2723
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:09,360
oh boy yeah that's uh what here here

2724
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:11,679
i'll second that particular

2725
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:13,520
well and then we have the kardashians

2726
01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:15,679
you know it's it's this new facebook uh

2727
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:18,560
generation coming up that you know hey i

2728
01:44:22,070 --> 01:44:20,000
you know i put on a black shirt and i

2729
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:22,080
got a cool pose i'm a paranormal team

2730
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:26,159
now and i demand the respect of that so

2731
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:28,480
you know it's i think

2732
01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:29,840
you know there's

2733
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:32,400
maybe it's to celebrate and and not give

2734
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:34,719
them as much attention anymore i i don't

2735
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:37,280
go to those conferences i don't speak at

2736
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:40,960
those conferences um there was one that

2737
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:43,199
um i spoke at and i i guess i didn't

2738
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:45,679
realize that i was adding to it but you

2739
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:47,280
know since that realization i'm like i

2740
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:51,679
will not do that i try to keep myself in

2741
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:53,280
you know birds of a feather flock

2742
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:55,040
together i try to keep myself in a group

2743
01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:58,960
of people that are very um earnest in

2744
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:00,639
meeting that scientific and public

2745
01:45:06,149 --> 01:45:02,880
scrutiny right you don't like to get

2746
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:08,149
we will get slimed

2747
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,800
if we don't do our break okay

2748
01:45:14,070 --> 01:45:12,639
so before we get the blue slime or

2749
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:14,080
whatever color it's going to be this

2750
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:14,880
week

2751
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:17,520
we have chase and gene and chris you're

2752
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:30,149
[Music]

2753
01:45:34,910 --> 01:45:33,600
thank you for listening to gcn

2754
01:45:37,669 --> 01:45:34,920
be sure to visit

2755
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:37,679
gcnlive.com today

2756
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:39,440
first game attack of the rockoids and it

2757
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:41,520
was a critically acclaimed success and

2758
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:42,800
now there is the coming of the

2759
01:45:46,950 --> 01:45:44,719
protectors a former military

2760
01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:46,960
intelligence man is contacted by a space

2761
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:49,119
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2762
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:51,679
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2763
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,280
her distant planet are planning to

2764
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:55,520
conquer the earth this is gripping

2765
01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:58,080
science fiction of the classic kind

2766
01:46:01,950 --> 01:45:59,920
attack of the rockoids and the coming of

2767
01:46:04,830 --> 01:46:01,960
the protectors find out more at

2768
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:04,840
rockoids.com that's rockoids

2769
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:07,280
r-o-c-k-o-i-d-s dot com

2770
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:09,679
as you know neighbors web hosting can be

2771
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:12,480
pretty cheap but not all hosting is the

2772
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:13,440
same

2773
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:16,400
dreamhost wins best of awards year after

2774
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:19,199
year you get unlimited disk space

2775
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:21,360
unlimited bandwidth and even the

2776
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:23,840
low-cost plans put your sites on

2777
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:26,800
high-performance ssds want to know more

2778
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,360
about what dreamhost has to offer go to

2779
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:31,199
tech nightowl.com

2780
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:33,360
host once again that's

2781
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:39,189
host

2782
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:41,350
i'm nick sowoleski a select quote agent

2783
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:42,719
with a true story that could save you

2784
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:44,719
hundreds of dollars a year a woman named

2785
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:47,600
linda just called her husband ray has a

2786
01:46:52,629 --> 01:46:50,639
300 000 group life insurance policy but

2787
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:52,639
is changing jobs and can't take it with

2788
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:55,119
him well i impartially shot the highly

2789
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:56,800
rated term life insurance companies we

2790
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:59,520
represent and found ray who is 41 and

2791
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:00,960
takes medication to control his

2792
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:04,800
cholesterol a 10-year 500 000 policy for

2793
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:07,440
under 26 dollars a month that's almost

2794
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:09,679
twice the coverage for less than half of

2795
01:47:13,669 --> 01:47:11,920
what he had paid if select quote hasn't

2796
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:13,679
shot for your life insurance you're

2797
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:15,520
probably paying too much

2798
01:47:20,719 --> 01:47:24,870
that's 1-800-403-4885

2799
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:28,709
1-800-403-4885

2800
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:32,229
or go to selectquote.com we shop you

2801
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:34,000
save get full details in the example

2802
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:35,600
policy at slovak.com commercials your

2803
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:36,560
price could vary depending on your

2804
01:47:46,470 --> 01:47:37,760
health issuing company and other factors

2805
01:47:53,350 --> 01:47:49,669
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2806
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:53,360
standard of paranormal radio

2807
01:47:57,940 --> 01:47:54,639
and now

2808
01:48:01,669 --> 01:47:57,950
here's jane steinberg

2809
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:04,149
oh yes we're gonna start a chorus of

2810
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:05,760
people here

2811
01:48:10,629 --> 01:48:08,000
chase kletzke gene and chris

2812
01:48:12,870 --> 01:48:10,639
now all this research you're doing is

2813
01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:12,880
very much predicated on the

2814
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:15,199
possibility or the certainty to you that

2815
01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:18,639
ufos it's a physical phenomenon do you

2816
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:19,760
therefore

2817
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:21,760
embrace spaceships or anything else or

2818
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:24,639
you don't go that direction i do i do

2819
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:27,199
believe that there are physical objects

2820
01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:29,280
it's not all there is i don't believe we

2821
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:31,840
can we have to choose one or the other

2822
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:34,480
when it comes to theories of ufos i do

2823
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,080
believe that there are physical ships

2824
01:48:41,109 --> 01:48:38,400
out here but i also believe that we

2825
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:41,119
investigate two kinds of physical

2826
01:48:44,830 --> 01:48:43,280
objects that are reported to us ours and

2827
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:44,840
theirs with the

2828
01:48:50,229 --> 01:48:47,679
technologies that you know that we have

2829
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:50,239
and and you even look at the blackout

2830
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:53,440
budget it it's just ridiculous um

2831
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:55,920
obviously we're not privy to that and

2832
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:58,320
yet we have all these tidbits and

2833
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:00,960
everything from president reagan to

2834
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:03,440
you know uh skunk works and you know

2835
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:05,360
these guys coming out blatantly telling

2836
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:07,040
us you know

2837
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:09,360
we have things that you know make sci-fi

2838
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:11,679
look like a reality show and we have for

2839
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:12,800
years

2840
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:15,280
um what is it robert bigelow um is

2841
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:17,679
quoted saying on i believe it was jesse

2842
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:20,080
ventura's tv show you don't even know

2843
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:21,920
what you don't know yet

2844
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:25,840
what wait whoa excuse me whoa whoa like

2845
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:28,480
uh mr bigelow please can we have another

2846
01:49:33,270 --> 01:49:31,119
moment it's it's shocking some of the

2847
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:33,280
comments they make um

2848
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:34,800
you know well some of that could be done

2849
01:49:39,590 --> 01:49:37,119
just as coiness and stuff but since you

2850
01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:39,600
brought up the subject of robert bigelow

2851
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:41,119
and being one of the

2852
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:44,320
coordinators of the uh fabled mufon star

2853
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:46,400
team where do you come down on the whole

2854
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:49,199
controversy during the uh the james

2855
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:52,159
carrying the era of mufon here back a

2856
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:54,960
few years back when bigelow helped fund

2857
01:49:59,750 --> 01:49:56,960
the star team and then started vacuuming

2858
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:59,760
up the best cases i mean is it true that

2859
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:00,639
he

2860
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:04,880
and mufon wasn't able to really follow

2861
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:06,480
through with some of the investigations

2862
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:08,800
because bigelow co-opted the the

2863
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:10,960
particular cases uh where do you come

2864
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,239
down on that whole

2865
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:14,639
that whole controversy well i believe

2866
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:16,560
the field investigators that told me

2867
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:17,920
that was true

2868
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:20,320
and um and i do believe them and i do

2869
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:22,639
believe this happened um what i don't

2870
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:24,560
believe is that mufon did that on

2871
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:26,880
purpose i think they got had

2872
01:50:31,109 --> 01:50:29,360
um i think this this this money guy

2873
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,119
comes in and

2874
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:33,360
you know offers you know this great

2875
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:36,000
amount of money which who of us out here

2876
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:38,000
wouldn't love to be funded the things we

2877
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:39,760
could do if i just had

2878
01:50:43,669 --> 01:50:41,440
you know a little more money i'd be all

2879
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:43,679
over the place the things were missing

2880
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:46,239
because you know we don't have that um

2881
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:48,480
and i think mufon felt the same way so

2882
01:50:50,870 --> 01:50:50,080
you know here's a guy with a nice big

2883
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:50,880
check

2884
01:50:53,669 --> 01:50:51,760
and

2885
01:50:55,590 --> 01:50:53,679
they didn't know what they were in for i

2886
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:55,600
think these guys

2887
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:58,080
that thought that this was a good idea

2888
01:51:01,510 --> 01:50:59,199
in the end

2889
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,520
i i know it was a regret um even even

2890
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:03,119
bigelow's come out and said the only

2891
01:51:07,109 --> 01:51:05,520
business decision i ever made that i

2892
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:07,119
know was a bad one was getting in bed

2893
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:09,280
with mufon but buffon says the same

2894
01:51:13,590 --> 01:51:10,880
thing about them so

2895
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:13,600
it didn't work it's something that i

2896
01:51:18,950 --> 01:51:16,080
wish it had because it would be nice to

2897
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:18,960
be funded yeah we'd be further directors

2898
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:20,719
did i mean they were involved in some

2899
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:22,560
pretty well i don't want to say shady

2900
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:25,040
and underhanded but i had a an anonymous

2901
01:51:28,550 --> 01:51:26,080
source

2902
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:28,560
send me a bunch of documentation back

2903
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:30,639
and forth uh between board members

2904
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:32,800
between bigelow aerospace

2905
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:35,440
that did suggest that there was um some

2906
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:37,520
collusion going on there was some

2907
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,679
questionable damage control that uh went

2908
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:41,199
on i don't think a lot of this

2909
01:51:45,750 --> 01:51:43,040
information was made

2910
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:45,760
public it's not really that well known

2911
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:47,520
some of the machinations that went on

2912
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:49,679
but do you think there's hope for an

2913
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:51,679
organization like mufon that seems to

2914
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:54,480
have this singular focus that

2915
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:56,400
really has to do with raising money and

2916
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:58,560
getting new members i mean this whole

2917
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:01,280
hangar one show granted it has gotten a

2918
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:03,199
little better but it's don't even get me

2919
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:05,440
started

2920
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:06,880
oh my god

2921
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:08,560
we got to discuss this stuff because you

2922
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:10,000
are i mean your deputy director of

2923
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:11,840
investigations here and i know you have

2924
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:13,280
a responsibility to support the

2925
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:15,280
organization but you also you know are

2926
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:17,599
sitting in a place where you can really

2927
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:19,360
you know get the inside track on some of

2928
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:21,280
this stuff so the truth is when the

2929
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:23,520
truth becomes inconvenient

2930
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:25,760
then i don't even want to apologize to

2931
01:52:32,870 --> 01:52:30,639
about that and i'm very open about i was

2932
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:32,880
a star team manager that developed that

2933
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:36,000
program after bigelow and i did catch a

2934
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:37,920
couple of high-ranking mufon members

2935
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:39,840
with the hand in the cookie jar

2936
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:41,920
and when it wasn't addressed properly i

2937
01:52:46,950 --> 01:52:44,239
resigned in protest for it and was very

2938
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:46,960
open and called them out by name often

2939
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:48,480
as much as i could

2940
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:50,719
because they betrayed the organization

2941
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:51,840
of buffon

2942
01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:52,880
and

2943
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:57,040
some still do think that i betrayed

2944
01:53:02,790 --> 01:52:59,920
mufon by bringing it out to light that's

2945
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:02,800
not how i see it i think that when the

2946
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:06,000
truth becomes inconvenient then you need

2947
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:08,239
to redirect yourself especially as a ufo

2948
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:09,920
organization that's trying to call out

2949
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:12,000
the government for telling lies come on

2950
01:53:15,270 --> 01:53:13,840
guys you can't have it both ways yeah

2951
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:15,280
really it's kind of the pot calling the

2952
01:53:20,070 --> 01:53:17,920
kettle uh aluminum or something so

2953
01:53:24,149 --> 01:53:20,080
you're no longer involved with mufon

2954
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:24,159
i am i left them in 2011

2955
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:26,800
and just more recently i was out of

2956
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:28,480
mufon for four years

2957
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:31,199
there's an entire new

2958
01:53:35,189 --> 01:53:33,440
team of leadership in mufon

2959
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:35,199
and the way we're going to see a good

2960
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:37,280
guy he's a little naive in my opinion

2961
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:39,040
but you got to love him he's he's got a

2962
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:41,760
a big heart he does have a bit of a

2963
01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:44,480
flair for for pr and attracting new

2964
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:47,040
membership but it's getting watered down

2965
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:49,360
um we're not seeing the real

2966
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:52,960
dedicated steady focus on the scientific

2967
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:54,960
investigation of ufos which is part of

2968
01:53:58,070 --> 01:53:56,560
their their um

2969
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:58,080
you know their their

2970
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:00,880
mantra and i i see it being watered down

2971
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:02,719
a little bit how about you do you see uh

2972
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:04,719
do you see problems with with the

2973
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:07,119
emphasis possibly shifting

2974
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:10,480
um i do i think uh a lot of

2975
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:12,880
investigators out here are you know kind

2976
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:15,440
of wanting we understand that we were in

2977
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:17,280
a position as an organization that the

2978
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:19,199
best thing to do for the organization is

2979
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:21,199
to focus on image and maybe a little

2980
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:23,040
money because we have to keep the lights

2981
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:25,679
on and if you want a professional arena

2982
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:28,159
that costs money as you know um

2983
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:29,040
but

2984
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:30,880
at the same time

2985
01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:32,800
to maintain that focus as a new

2986
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:35,119
direction and move on i believe could be

2987
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:36,800
a problem and

2988
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:39,599
because our focus needs to stay

2989
01:54:44,629 --> 01:54:42,000
with the people who rely on us to

2990
01:54:47,669 --> 01:54:44,639
investigate their reports and when we

2991
01:54:50,709 --> 01:54:47,679
lose sight of the witnesses being our

2992
01:54:53,189 --> 01:54:50,719
our heart and soul of why we exist the

2993
01:54:54,070 --> 01:54:53,199
people that will get on that internet

2994
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:54,080
and

2995
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:56,800
the trust that they have i mean the hope

2996
01:55:00,629 --> 01:54:58,480
that they have

2997
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:00,639
when somebody will put something like

2998
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:02,560
that in a report

2999
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:04,719
and trust us with it it's a huge

3000
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:06,400
responsibility and we have to take it

3001
01:55:10,950 --> 01:55:08,719
more serious well and there's also the

3002
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:10,960
the the fact that uh the average age in

3003
01:55:15,109 --> 01:55:12,880
mufon is is up there

3004
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:15,119
along in the tooth and eric the red's

3005
01:55:18,790 --> 01:55:17,040
wondering if mufon has ever considered

3006
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:18,800
trying to establish chapters on college

3007
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:19,920
campuses

3008
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:21,199
these could be effective training

3009
01:55:24,629 --> 01:55:23,119
grounds for future researchers could

3010
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:24,639
open up a few more minds and could

3011
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:26,480
possibly elicit interest among graduate

3012
01:55:30,149 --> 01:55:28,400
students and professors in technical

3013
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:30,159
fields that you could apply to the the

3014
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:32,800
ministry and also it would you the

3015
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:34,880
unstated thing here it would also

3016
01:55:38,709 --> 01:55:36,320
interest a new generation of

3017
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:38,719
investigators to to pick up the baton

3018
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:40,800
and move the rock down the field uh any

3019
01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:43,040
cliche you want to want to throw at but

3020
01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:46,159
uh you know mufon is is an older uh

3021
01:55:51,830 --> 01:55:47,920
crowd and we need to get some new blood

3022
01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:51,840
in there but who has the time to invest

3023
01:55:55,830 --> 01:55:53,440
and you know how much time this takes

3024
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:55,840
chris and money it's usually more the

3025
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:58,320
retiree community there is a huge

3026
01:56:02,470 --> 01:56:00,480
emphasis trying to get new blood into

3027
01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:02,480
mufon and to target these eric's

3028
01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:05,360
absolutely right we need this generation

3029
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:07,360
what we're finding is they come into

3030
01:56:12,830 --> 01:56:10,000
mufon and if it's not all mulder and

3031
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,840
scully or 30 second

3032
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:14,560
gratification do you mean i gotta

3033
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:16,320
actually do something

3034
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:19,920
almost or if it takes too long or

3035
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:22,000
there's a lot of reasons that the the

3036
01:56:26,790 --> 01:56:23,599
new generation does everything on

3037
01:56:29,589 --> 01:56:26,800
computer or smartphones and apps and you

3038
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:29,599
know so until we get to this level and

3039
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:30,719
figure out

3040
01:56:34,709 --> 01:56:32,800
how we investigate we're never going to

3041
01:56:37,350 --> 01:56:34,719
investigate on a phone guys it's a bad

3042
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:37,360
idea it's you're losing

3043
01:56:41,910 --> 01:56:39,520
probably half of the information you

3044
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:41,920
could get every time you don't go out of

3045
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:43,040
your door

3046
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,599
and you know that's why i emphasize

3047
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:47,360
boots on the ground i love to be out

3048
01:56:51,430 --> 01:56:48,960
there shoots

3049
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:51,440
if i if there's a chance i can meet a

3050
01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:52,880
witness

3051
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:54,320
even if there's no chance i'm going to

3052
01:56:59,189 --> 01:56:57,040
get physical evidence oh my gosh the

3053
01:57:01,109 --> 01:56:59,199
people you meet out here just being

3054
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:01,119
involved in your job police don't

3055
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:04,560
investigate on the phone insurance fraud

3056
01:57:08,550 --> 01:57:06,560
analysts and then and you know insurance

3057
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:08,560
people they don't analyze or do

3058
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:10,320
investigations on the phone it's just a

3059
01:57:14,470 --> 01:57:12,159
bad idea you gotta i'll tell you what

3060
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:14,480
the last couple of claims i had with the

3061
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:16,400
insurance company a couple of fender

3062
01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:18,960
benders yeah they did most of it by the

3063
01:57:22,550 --> 01:57:20,880
phone so that might be an exception

3064
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:22,560
maybe they're trying to save money

3065
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:25,040
sending out a gestures for anything they

3066
01:57:28,950 --> 01:57:26,639
even have you take your own photographs

3067
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:28,960
now the damage if it's not serious we've

3068
01:57:37,430 --> 01:57:30,960
got chase kletzke with gene and chris

3069
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:39,830
if you're fascinated by ufos ancient

3070
01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:42,480
aliens archaeological mysteries ghost

3071
01:57:47,030 --> 01:57:44,800
hunting atlantis and any other

3072
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:47,040
paranormal topic as we are be sure to

3073
01:57:53,350 --> 01:57:50,159
check out ap magazine.info each month

3074
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:53,360
since 1985 it has presented the latest

3075
01:57:58,950 --> 01:57:55,920
research by top researchers like andrew

3076
01:58:00,790 --> 01:57:58,960
cullens brad steiger and many others and

3077
01:58:02,950 --> 01:58:00,800
contains interviews with such leading

3078
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:02,960
personalities as jacques valet check

3079
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:04,800
click on one of their banners and check

3080
01:58:09,669 --> 01:58:07,360
out apmagazine.info

3081
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:09,679
as you know neighbors web hosting can be

3082
01:58:13,430 --> 01:58:12,480
pretty cheap but not all hosting is the

3083
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:13,440
same

3084
01:58:19,189 --> 01:58:16,400
dreamhost wins best of awards year after

3085
01:58:21,669 --> 01:58:19,199
year you get unlimited disk space

3086
01:58:24,149 --> 01:58:21,679
unlimited bandwidth and even the low

3087
01:58:26,070 --> 01:58:24,159
cost plans put your sights on high

3088
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:26,080
performance ssds

3089
01:58:31,189 --> 01:58:27,920
want to know more about what dreamhost

3090
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:31,199
has to offer go to technical.com

3091
01:58:36,470 --> 01:58:33,360
host once again that's

3092
01:58:41,589 --> 01:58:39,510
host sciatica lower back pain hip pain

3093
01:58:43,830 --> 01:58:41,599
poor posture if you suffer from any of

3094
01:58:45,830 --> 01:58:43,840
these problems get ready to relax

3095
01:58:48,310 --> 01:58:45,840
introducing an amazing product that's

3096
01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:48,320
been in the market for over 25 years the

3097
01:58:51,910 --> 01:58:50,159
sacral wedgie it was invented by a

3098
01:58:53,910 --> 01:58:51,920
football coach using a common sense

3099
01:58:56,070 --> 01:58:53,920
osteopath technique he created this

3100
01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:56,080
device to help his athletes by isolating

3101
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:57,840
and supporting the sacrum which is the

3102
01:59:01,030 --> 01:58:59,440
keystone of our anatomy this

3103
01:59:03,109 --> 01:59:01,040
wedge-shaped bone is in the center of

3104
01:59:05,030 --> 01:59:03,119
our hips where a lot of pain starts

3105
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:05,040
simply relax 20 minutes daily on the

3106
01:59:08,870 --> 01:59:07,040
amazingly simple sacral wedgie and let

3107
01:59:11,109 --> 01:59:08,880
gravity do the work helping muscles

3108
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:11,119
rebalance and start releasing nerves sit

3109
01:59:14,470 --> 01:59:12,800
on the sacral wedgy at the computer or

3110
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:14,480
while traveling to help correct posture

3111
01:59:18,709 --> 01:59:16,000
to finally help relieve those stubborn

3112
01:59:20,870 --> 01:59:18,719
aches and pains for only 33.95

3113
01:59:23,270 --> 01:59:20,880
it's made in the usa so click the family

3114
01:59:25,070 --> 01:59:23,280
owned website at sacralwedgie.com

3115
01:59:27,350 --> 01:59:25,080
spelled

3116
01:59:30,149 --> 01:59:27,360
s-a-c-r-o-w-e-d-g-y dot com or call

3117
01:59:35,669 --> 01:59:30,159
1-800-737-9295

3118
01:59:39,189 --> 01:59:35,679
relax your back pain away with a sacral

3119
01:59:43,910 --> 01:59:40,790
serious investors and traders want to

3120
01:59:45,990 --> 01:59:43,920
make 81 return in 60 seconds use the

3121
01:59:47,669 --> 01:59:46,000
same secret algorithm professional hedge

3122
01:59:50,310 --> 01:59:47,679
fund managers use to make billions of

3123
01:59:51,669 --> 01:59:50,320
dollars of profits turn 250 dollars into

3124
01:59:53,589 --> 01:59:51,679
forty nine hundred three dollars just

3125
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:53,599
seven clicks of a mouse our tool is so

3126
01:59:57,109 --> 01:59:55,280
simple that my 82 year old grandmother

3127
01:59:58,990 --> 01:59:57,119
can use it to make insane stock market

3128
02:00:01,350 --> 01:59:59,000
profits go to

3129
02:00:03,189 --> 02:00:01,360
bigbuckriches.com watch the free video

3130
02:00:04,669 --> 02:00:03,199
before the hedge funds make us take it

3131
02:00:06,550 --> 02:00:04,679
down go to

3132
02:00:07,830 --> 02:00:06,560
bigbuckriches.com from the robert allen

3133
02:00:10,229 --> 02:00:07,840
system current returns not indicative of

3134
02:00:12,149 --> 02:00:10,239
future results

3135
02:00:14,310 --> 02:00:12,159
are you worried about your mom or dad

3136
02:00:16,870 --> 02:00:14,320
living alone in their house

3137
02:00:19,350 --> 02:00:16,880
hi i'm joan lunden listen i know how

3138
02:00:21,750 --> 02:00:19,360
difficult it is to find senior care for

3139
02:00:24,629 --> 02:00:21,760
someone you love that's why i recommend

3140
02:00:26,550 --> 02:00:24,639
a free service called a place for mom

3141
02:00:28,390 --> 02:00:26,560
they are the nation's largest senior

3142
02:00:30,470 --> 02:00:28,400
living referral service

3143
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:30,480
call a place for mom today

3144
02:00:34,950 --> 02:00:32,560
to receive free information on senior

3145
02:00:40,470 --> 02:00:34,960
living communities in your area call a

3146
02:00:45,589 --> 02:00:43,109
a place for mom offers free one-on-one

3147
02:00:47,669 --> 02:00:45,599
advice from local advisors and a

3148
02:00:49,830 --> 02:00:47,679
personalized list of senior living

3149
02:00:52,149 --> 02:00:49,840
communities you can visit if you have

3150
02:00:54,550 --> 02:00:52,159
questions about senior care for your mom

3151
02:00:55,910 --> 02:00:54,560
or dad there's a place for answers a

3152
02:00:58,709 --> 02:00:55,920
place for mom

3153
02:01:00,550 --> 02:00:58,719
minutes to get your free ebook on

3154
02:01:02,390 --> 02:01:00,560
financing senior care as well as free

3155
02:01:04,669 --> 02:01:02,400
information on senior living communities

3156
02:01:08,709 --> 02:01:04,679
in your area call

3157
02:01:10,950 --> 02:01:08,719
1-800-704-6182 that's 1-800-704-618

3158
02:01:13,270 --> 02:01:10,960
are your google search results killing

3159
02:01:15,589 --> 02:01:13,280
you unflattering content in blogs news

3160
02:01:17,109 --> 02:01:15,599
articles online reviews social media or

3161
02:01:19,030 --> 02:01:17,119
other sources can jeopardize your

3162
02:01:22,070 --> 02:01:19,040
reputation your business and your

3163
02:01:23,830 --> 02:01:22,080
livelihood let reputation.com help our

3164
02:01:25,589 --> 02:01:23,840
patented technology will make the truth

3165
02:01:27,990 --> 02:01:25,599
about you more visible while pushing

3166
02:01:30,189 --> 02:01:28,000
down unwanted negative content improve

3167
02:01:33,229 --> 02:01:30,199
your google search results call

3168
02:01:35,669 --> 02:01:33,239
reputation.com at

3169
02:01:40,870 --> 02:01:35,679
1-800-831-0-71 for a free consultation

3170
02:01:45,589 --> 02:01:43,109
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

3171
02:01:49,109 --> 02:01:45,599
comment or question about the paracast

3172
02:01:50,950 --> 02:01:49,119
send it to news at theparacast.com

3173
02:01:53,589 --> 02:01:50,960
that's news

3174
02:01:56,629 --> 02:01:53,599
cast dot com and don't forget to visit

3175
02:01:59,500 --> 02:01:56,639
our famous paracast community forums at

3176
02:02:01,109 --> 02:01:59,510
forum.theparacast.com

3177
02:02:02,629 --> 02:02:01,119
[Music]

3178
02:02:05,109 --> 02:02:02,639
so what do you think of that phenomenon

3179
02:02:07,030 --> 02:02:05,119
chase just in terms of investigation

3180
02:02:09,109 --> 02:02:07,040
where you take the photograph yourself

3181
02:02:12,870 --> 02:02:09,119
you do all the work but you pay them

3182
02:02:15,189 --> 02:02:12,880
anyway that's why i get you know 15 off

3183
02:02:16,950 --> 02:02:15,199
at geico i don't know i have

3184
02:02:19,830 --> 02:02:16,960
you know um

3185
02:02:21,990 --> 02:02:19,840
yeah i don't think so we have enough

3186
02:02:24,229 --> 02:02:22,000
issues we get a lot of photos submitted

3187
02:02:25,750 --> 02:02:24,239
to us not only in mufon but you know

3188
02:02:28,070 --> 02:02:25,760
independently because i still do

3189
02:02:29,910 --> 02:02:28,080
independent investigations um you know i

3190
02:02:32,470 --> 02:02:29,920
just took lead of

3191
02:02:34,149 --> 02:02:32,480
the famous uh starchild skull

3192
02:02:35,030 --> 02:02:34,159
and that's something that i'm working on

3193
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:35,040
now

3194
02:02:38,229 --> 02:02:36,159
and

3195
02:02:40,149 --> 02:02:38,239
we do get people everybody has a cell

3196
02:02:44,149 --> 02:02:40,159
phone now so you know we're getting a

3197
02:02:46,390 --> 02:02:44,159
lot of photographs off iphones and um

3198
02:02:48,790 --> 02:02:46,400
you know just this new technology

3199
02:02:50,790 --> 02:02:48,800
and it's okay it's working there's a lot

3200
02:02:53,350 --> 02:02:50,800
more evidence coming in with some of

3201
02:02:55,189 --> 02:02:53,360
these accounts because of these um new

3202
02:02:58,790 --> 02:02:55,199
little tricks of the trade with our

3203
02:03:00,470 --> 02:02:58,800
witnesses i love it but to completely do

3204
02:03:01,750 --> 02:03:00,480
an investigation

3205
02:03:03,910 --> 02:03:01,760
it probably

3206
02:03:05,990 --> 02:03:03,920
costs more money for the investigation i

3207
02:03:07,030 --> 02:03:06,000
mean for the company to send somebody

3208
02:03:08,550 --> 02:03:07,040
out

3209
02:03:11,669 --> 02:03:08,560
to look at that and do that

3210
02:03:13,910 --> 02:03:11,679
investigation than it is to verify yeah

3211
02:03:15,990 --> 02:03:13,920
he really does have a ding give them the

3212
02:03:17,990 --> 02:03:16,000
money where we're good and you look at

3213
02:03:19,830 --> 02:03:18,000
the loss even if on a few occasions

3214
02:03:22,149 --> 02:03:19,840
they're paying a little too much or

3215
02:03:24,149 --> 02:03:22,159
something that could be

3216
02:03:26,390 --> 02:03:24,159
looked at by the bean counters and the

3217
02:03:28,070 --> 02:03:26,400
other thing too is there usually is the

3218
02:03:30,470 --> 02:03:28,080
option that if you take it to the body

3219
02:03:32,470 --> 02:03:30,480
shop and they find more stuff they could

3220
02:03:34,470 --> 02:03:32,480
modify the claim

3221
02:03:36,390 --> 02:03:34,480
exactly so you can't get personal

3222
02:03:38,149 --> 02:03:36,400
service anymore now i'm going to ask the

3223
02:03:40,550 --> 02:03:38,159
hard question here about mufon that i

3224
02:03:42,709 --> 02:03:40,560
always wonder about mufon was started in

3225
02:03:45,669 --> 02:03:42,719
what 1969

3226
02:03:47,430 --> 02:03:45,679
yes it's 2016.

3227
02:03:49,910 --> 02:03:47,440
over all those years what have you

3228
02:03:51,910 --> 02:03:49,920
learned other than what we knew then

3229
02:03:54,149 --> 02:03:51,920
that is a great question and it's

3230
02:03:57,109 --> 02:03:54,159
something that i kind of rattled the

3231
02:03:59,750 --> 02:03:57,119
cages every once in a while within you

3232
02:04:01,990 --> 02:03:59,760
know an organization that i do love

3233
02:04:04,229 --> 02:04:02,000
and that is guys where's our stuff

3234
02:04:07,589 --> 02:04:04,239
we have to start putting stuff out there

3235
02:04:09,830 --> 02:04:07,599
and the truth is there is a lot you know

3236
02:04:12,950 --> 02:04:09,840
um but i think people are looking for

3237
02:04:14,790 --> 02:04:12,960
that smoking gun information but there

3238
02:04:16,629 --> 02:04:14,800
are cases put out every single day on

3239
02:04:19,109 --> 02:04:16,639
the website these are some of the best

3240
02:04:22,470 --> 02:04:19,119
cases that are reported to move on as

3241
02:04:24,149 --> 02:04:22,480
well as the investigators behind them

3242
02:04:27,350 --> 02:04:24,159
there's a lot of information if if

3243
02:04:29,990 --> 02:04:27,360
people are focused in on mufon what i

3244
02:04:33,669 --> 02:04:30,000
think mufon needs to do is get out here

3245
02:04:36,229 --> 02:04:33,679
and participate more with ufologists

3246
02:04:38,070 --> 02:04:36,239
and of course um i think that's

3247
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:38,080
absolutely direction we're going in

3248
02:04:41,189 --> 02:04:39,760
they're not giving out field manuals

3249
02:04:43,430 --> 02:04:41,199
anymore they just opened mufon

3250
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:43,440
university so now you know you can have

3251
02:04:47,510 --> 02:04:45,520
an onboarding program so people don't

3252
02:04:49,189 --> 02:04:47,520
just come in and if you live in a state

3253
02:04:52,070 --> 02:04:49,199
that has a crappy state director or no

3254
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:52,080
state director at all which can happen

3255
02:04:56,070 --> 02:04:54,239
you don't get training well you lose

3256
02:04:59,109 --> 02:04:56,080
talent and you know people that we need

3257
02:05:00,950 --> 02:04:59,119
out here working um so there's now an

3258
02:05:03,189 --> 02:05:00,960
online boarding program

3259
02:05:06,070 --> 02:05:03,199
so buffon's definitely you know coming

3260
02:05:08,070 --> 02:05:06,080
into this new generation trying to

3261
02:05:11,270 --> 02:05:08,080
attract these new people trying to get

3262
02:05:13,750 --> 02:05:11,280
information out but it's a database and

3263
02:05:16,629 --> 02:05:13,760
it's where we can investigate

3264
02:05:18,149 --> 02:05:16,639
and it's kind of why i went back guys

3265
02:05:20,310 --> 02:05:18,159
you know ask me in a year if it was the

3266
02:05:23,750 --> 02:05:20,320
best decision i ever made but you know

3267
02:05:27,430 --> 02:05:23,760
right now it just seemed that if we

3268
02:05:30,950 --> 02:05:27,440
when we can fix relationships we do

3269
02:05:33,510 --> 02:05:30,960
and when we can bring something positive

3270
02:05:36,149 --> 02:05:33,520
into a mix we try to do that you know

3271
02:05:37,589 --> 02:05:36,159
holding on to resentments and you know

3272
02:05:39,910 --> 02:05:37,599
finger pointing

3273
02:05:41,830 --> 02:05:39,920
for me for four years ago

3274
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:41,840
it just didn't seem necessary anymore

3275
02:05:46,229 --> 02:05:43,599
especially when those people aren't even

3276
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:46,239
with mufon they're gone and gone for a

3277
02:05:52,550 --> 02:05:49,679
reason so you know when jan asked me to

3278
02:05:54,070 --> 02:05:52,560
rejoin mufon um

3279
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:54,080
i didn't say yes right away it took a

3280
02:05:57,030 --> 02:05:55,520
couple months but

3281
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:57,040
i think it's just a professional thing

3282
02:06:01,990 --> 02:05:59,280
to do now i think we all need to work

3283
02:06:04,070 --> 02:06:02,000
together and and behave and you know

3284
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:04,080
stop with all the kardashians look at me

3285
02:06:08,390 --> 02:06:06,719
stuff and you know just work and help

3286
02:06:10,790 --> 02:06:08,400
each other help each other when we're

3287
02:06:13,189 --> 02:06:10,800
out here really doing something yeah

3288
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:13,199
yeah be part of a team and and not be

3289
02:06:17,910 --> 02:06:14,400
going around

3290
02:06:20,870 --> 02:06:17,920
unilaterally not accepting outside uh

3291
02:06:23,430 --> 02:06:20,880
help not accepting outside opinions

3292
02:06:25,830 --> 02:06:23,440
going around trying to solve uh cases

3293
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:25,840
based on your own private pet theory and

3294
02:06:30,310 --> 02:06:28,159
and trying to make a particular case for

3295
02:06:32,550 --> 02:06:30,320
cases fit into your particular pet

3296
02:06:35,750 --> 02:06:32,560
theory or paradigm that's a real problem

3297
02:06:37,030 --> 02:06:35,760
that i see it's it seems to be

3298
02:06:39,669 --> 02:06:37,040
kind of pulling back a little bit you

3299
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:39,679
don't see as much agenda driven

3300
02:06:43,350 --> 02:06:42,239
investigative work as you did i think 20

3301
02:06:44,709 --> 02:06:43,360
years ago

3302
02:06:46,709 --> 02:06:44,719
it seems to have been flow in that that

3303
02:06:49,109 --> 02:06:46,719
regard but the the whole teamwork

3304
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:49,119
approach i think is is you know is a

3305
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:51,360
good model and you know we're not all

3306
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:54,000
experts in all aspects of this um for

3307
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:56,639
instance i have a real um issue with

3308
02:07:00,310 --> 02:06:58,480
mufon not doing follow-up investigative

3309
02:07:02,310 --> 02:07:00,320
work and i've i've noticed in your book

3310
02:07:04,629 --> 02:07:02,320
admissible that there's no section in

3311
02:07:06,629 --> 02:07:04,639
there about following up with witnesses

3312
02:07:09,270 --> 02:07:06,639
finding out how these experiences have

3313
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:09,280
changed their thinking find out how it's

3314
02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:11,280
it's changed their perspective their

3315
02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:13,840
relationships with their family

3316
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:15,840
how it affects the way that they look at

3317
02:07:20,390 --> 02:07:17,920
their reality and i think follow-up

3318
02:07:23,270 --> 02:07:20,400
information is an indication that the

3319
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:23,280
experiencer is as important as what they

3320
02:07:26,950 --> 02:07:25,440
experience if not more so and that's

3321
02:07:29,189 --> 02:07:26,960
that's an emphasis that i've been trying

3322
02:07:32,149 --> 02:07:29,199
to get people to uh to adopt for a long

3323
02:07:34,149 --> 02:07:32,159
time and i i i hope that this

3324
02:07:36,310 --> 02:07:34,159
there could be a tremendous amount that

3325
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:36,320
we could learn from the actual culture

3326
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:39,040
and psychosocial effect that these

3327
02:07:42,390 --> 02:07:40,960
events have on people and that's that's

3328
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:42,400
an area that i think

3329
02:07:45,669 --> 02:07:44,000
is like a force for the trees sort of

3330
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:45,679
subject right now let me ask you a

3331
02:07:50,069 --> 02:07:47,520
question here about cooperating we have

3332
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:50,079
other organizations most notably

3333
02:07:55,109 --> 02:07:52,880
national ufo reporting

3334
02:07:56,310 --> 02:07:55,119
from peter davenport

3335
02:07:58,550 --> 02:07:56,320
great guy

3336
02:08:00,790 --> 02:07:58,560
right now he has a big database

3337
02:08:02,790 --> 02:08:00,800
mm-hmm is there anything being done to

3338
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:02,800
coordinate your database with his i mean

3339
02:08:07,189 --> 02:08:04,960
there are ways to merge them if you want

3340
02:08:09,189 --> 02:08:07,199
to i don't know i think there was talk

3341
02:08:10,550 --> 02:08:09,199
of that before and you also have william

3342
02:08:13,589 --> 02:08:10,560
puckett that's got a lot of great

3343
02:08:16,149 --> 02:08:13,599
information as well um i use them

3344
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:16,159
and they are recommended to vue because

3345
02:08:20,709 --> 02:08:18,320
one of the things we always look for is

3346
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:20,719
correlated cases that have been reported

3347
02:08:25,350 --> 02:08:22,800
and that's not just this random internet

3348
02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:25,360
search i will always start with the

3349
02:08:29,910 --> 02:08:27,280
national ufo reporting center and you

3350
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:29,920
know hit william puckett's site right

3351
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:32,400
and larry hatch and yeah there's several

3352
02:08:37,270 --> 02:08:35,199
of them the computer ufo network what

3353
02:08:39,910 --> 02:08:37,280
i'm saying here is not just have the

3354
02:08:42,709 --> 02:08:39,920
separate databases but find a way to

3355
02:08:44,790 --> 02:08:42,719
merge them so you have one database and

3356
02:08:47,350 --> 02:08:44,800
that way you may be able to look at

3357
02:08:49,669 --> 02:08:47,360
contradictory versions of one case or

3358
02:08:51,589 --> 02:08:49,679
fill out something where somebody one

3359
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:51,599
city sees something they go to national

3360
02:08:55,990 --> 02:08:53,840
ufo reporting center another person in

3361
02:08:58,149 --> 02:08:56,000
the same city maybe three blocks away

3362
02:09:00,629 --> 02:08:58,159
he's got the case reported to move on

3363
02:09:02,550 --> 02:09:00,639
yeah it's it's happens all the time you

3364
02:09:05,270 --> 02:09:02,560
bring up such a great question

3365
02:09:08,149 --> 02:09:05,280
and um you know i think peter davenport

3366
02:09:10,310 --> 02:09:08,159
is very happy with the database because

3367
02:09:12,550 --> 02:09:10,320
you know his is information only where

3368
02:09:14,550 --> 02:09:12,560
mufon each case is assigned an

3369
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:14,560
investigator you know i think there's

3370
02:09:18,229 --> 02:09:16,800
just differences but you're right it

3371
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:18,239
would it be great to have one

3372
02:09:24,069 --> 02:09:21,520
centralized location especially for

3373
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:24,079
statistical analysis that's that's what

3374
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:25,760
jacques village is attempting to do from

3375
02:09:28,870 --> 02:09:27,280
my understanding

3376
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:28,880
he'd really like to

3377
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:32,480
get a all-inclusive database to start as

3378
02:09:37,189 --> 02:09:34,800
you say looking at patterning

3379
02:09:39,189 --> 02:09:37,199
statistical uh correlations that sort of

3380
02:09:41,669 --> 02:09:39,199
thing and and obviously this is a step

3381
02:09:43,750 --> 02:09:41,679
in the in the right direction uh if if

3382
02:09:45,109 --> 02:09:43,760
we're able to accomplish this but you

3383
02:09:46,629 --> 02:09:45,119
know you have a lot of people like peter

3384
02:09:49,030 --> 02:09:46,639
said look i've been working for years on

3385
02:09:51,189 --> 02:09:49,040
this thing and you know larry bryant was

3386
02:09:52,870 --> 02:09:51,199
working on it even uh before me or

3387
02:09:55,589 --> 02:09:52,880
whomever started that

3388
02:09:57,350 --> 02:09:55,599
was pop gripple yeah bob gribble rather

3389
02:09:58,709 --> 02:09:57,360
and there's you get a sense of kind of

3390
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:58,719
proprietary well i've been working so

3391
02:10:01,990 --> 02:10:00,079
long this i'm not just going to give it

3392
02:10:03,350 --> 02:10:02,000
away i mean he literally kind of said

3393
02:10:04,709 --> 02:10:03,360
that when we had him on the show here

3394
02:10:07,270 --> 02:10:04,719
recently uh

3395
02:10:08,870 --> 02:10:07,280
so you do have some of those types of

3396
02:10:09,910 --> 02:10:08,880
ego

3397
02:10:12,790 --> 02:10:09,920
you know

3398
02:10:15,109 --> 02:10:12,800
investment of time energy in years

3399
02:10:17,510 --> 02:10:15,119
obviously into projects you do have some

3400
02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:17,520
of that to battle against let's battle

3401
02:10:21,750 --> 02:10:19,280
against this

3402
02:10:29,830 --> 02:10:21,760
we have chase gene chris you're in the

3403
02:10:34,589 --> 02:10:33,350
thank you for listening to gcn

3404
02:10:37,430 --> 02:10:34,599
be sure to visit

3405
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:37,440
gcnlive.com today

3406
02:10:41,430 --> 02:10:39,040
ted anderson telling you about jordan

3407
02:10:43,589 --> 02:10:41,440
rubin's beyond organic green fed raw

3408
02:10:45,510 --> 02:10:43,599
cheddar artesian cheese featuring whole

3409
02:10:48,069 --> 02:10:45,520
milk created through ancient dairy

3410
02:10:50,470 --> 02:10:48,079
breeding unpasteurized untreated whole

3411
02:10:52,709 --> 02:10:50,480
milk on the same farm the cow's graze

3412
02:10:55,510 --> 02:10:52,719
containing natural sources of omega-3s

3413
02:10:58,069 --> 02:10:55,520
cla protein calcium probiotics and

3414
02:11:00,069 --> 02:10:58,079
enzymes i have never tasted cheese this

3415
02:11:03,629 --> 02:11:00,079
good and you need to try it contact your

3416
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:03,639
youngevity distributor or call

3417
02:11:09,350 --> 02:11:07,199
877-878-4203 or go to gcnteam.com

3418
02:11:11,589 --> 02:11:09,360
water is the single most important thing

3419
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:11,599
your body needs so you want to be sure

3420
02:11:16,709 --> 02:11:13,920
it's the best for you and your family

3421
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:16,719
since 2005 thousands have depended on

3422
02:11:21,189 --> 02:11:19,040
berkey purified water the berkey guy

3423
02:11:23,830 --> 02:11:21,199
provides the lowest priced filtration

3424
02:11:26,709 --> 02:11:23,840
systems in every size four incredibly

3425
02:11:29,030 --> 02:11:26,719
delicious water now and in an emergency

3426
02:11:39,189 --> 02:11:29,040
get to goberky.com or call

3427
02:11:43,510 --> 02:11:42,149
hi peter for caro for paranormaldate.com

3428
02:11:45,589 --> 02:11:43,520
are you looking for love in all the

3429
02:11:48,510 --> 02:11:45,599
wrong places now you have a chance to

3430
02:11:50,790 --> 02:11:48,520
change that by signing up for free at

3431
02:11:52,709 --> 02:11:50,800
paranormaldate.com this incredible

3432
02:11:54,470 --> 02:11:52,719
dating site puts people of like minds

3433
02:11:57,109 --> 02:11:54,480
together people who are interested in

3434
02:12:00,430 --> 02:11:57,119
the strange the unusual mysteries ghosts

3435
02:12:02,790 --> 02:12:00,440
ufos and the afterlife and so much more

3436
02:12:05,030 --> 02:12:02,800
paranormaldate.com was developed for you

3437
02:12:07,510 --> 02:12:05,040
people seeking a viable alternative to

3438
02:12:10,229 --> 02:12:07,520
the other dating services you can join

3439
02:12:11,990 --> 02:12:10,239
for free by going to paranormaldate.com

3440
02:12:14,229 --> 02:12:12,000
and if you decide you like it and want

3441
02:12:17,109 --> 02:12:14,239
to connect with people use the code

3442
02:12:19,270 --> 02:12:17,119
george for a substantial discount mark

3443
02:12:20,790 --> 02:12:19,280
rawlings president of paranormaldate.com

3444
02:12:23,030 --> 02:12:20,800
says so many people hunger to share

3445
02:12:25,270 --> 02:12:23,040
their experiences about the paranormal

3446
02:12:27,669 --> 02:12:25,280
the unexplainable or the afterlife and

3447
02:12:29,430 --> 02:12:27,679
so much more and this is the source for

3448
02:12:31,310 --> 02:12:29,440
them to meet and share that common

3449
02:12:32,629 --> 02:12:31,320
interest so sign up for free at

3450
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:32,639
paranormaldate.com paranormal

3451
02:12:37,109 --> 02:12:34,480
paranormaldate.com

3452
02:12:39,270 --> 02:12:37,119
and use the code george if you decide to

3453
02:12:41,669 --> 02:12:39,280
connect with someone you like oh ten

3454
02:12:44,069 --> 02:12:41,679
thousand dollars or more to the irs get

3455
02:12:46,629 --> 02:12:44,079
on board with the tax admiral don't take

3456
02:12:49,189 --> 02:12:46,639
on the irs alone i'll cut penalties and

3457
02:12:51,910 --> 02:12:49,199
reduce your overall tax bill sometimes i

3458
02:12:53,910 --> 02:12:51,920
can even get it zeroed out completely

3459
02:12:56,149 --> 02:12:53,920
we're an a-rated company helping people

3460
02:12:58,629 --> 02:12:56,159
clean up their mess with the irs if you

3461
02:13:00,830 --> 02:12:58,639
owe 10 000 or more then call the tax

3462
02:13:02,790 --> 02:13:00,840
admiral call

3463
02:13:08,950 --> 02:13:02,800
800-287-7180 again that's

3464
02:13:13,109 --> 02:13:10,709
it's about time something new came along

3465
02:13:16,589 --> 02:13:13,119
for better selling and buying online and

3466
02:13:18,550 --> 02:13:16,599
i found it what now marge it's buy sell

3467
02:13:19,910 --> 02:13:18,560
makeoffer.com never heard of it it's a

3468
02:13:21,750 --> 02:13:19,920
brand new company that's why you've

3469
02:13:23,990 --> 02:13:21,760
never heard of it it's the newest and

3470
02:13:26,149 --> 02:13:24,000
best way to sell any products online i

3471
02:13:29,350 --> 02:13:26,159
did all the research sell my car yes our

3472
02:13:30,950 --> 02:13:29,360
home yep my golf bag your golf clubs all

3473
02:13:31,750 --> 02:13:30,960
of them how about your purse collection

3474
02:13:35,350 --> 02:13:31,760
horde

3475
02:13:37,350 --> 02:13:35,360
now you said any product right i did

3476
02:13:40,589 --> 02:13:37,360
we get 30 days free really packages

3477
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:40,599
starting from only 7.95 and buy sell

3478
02:13:44,470 --> 02:13:43,199
makeoffer.com will never charge item

3479
02:13:46,550 --> 02:13:44,480
fees ever

3480
02:13:49,270 --> 02:13:46,560
never and this is cool listen to this

3481
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:49,280
you can even use skype or video to show

3482
02:13:53,910 --> 02:13:51,760
your items that's cool yes all we have

3483
02:13:56,310 --> 02:13:53,920
to do is go to the website sign up and

3484
02:13:59,350 --> 02:13:56,320
then load our stuff to sell i love this

3485
02:14:00,870 --> 02:13:59,360
site buy sell makeoffer.com buy

3486
02:14:02,270 --> 02:14:00,880
sellmakeoffer.com

3487
02:14:04,990 --> 02:14:02,280
you got it

3488
02:14:07,589 --> 02:14:05,000
buysellmakoffer.com i sell

3489
02:14:08,709 --> 02:14:07,599
makeoffer.com better selling better

3490
02:14:10,870 --> 02:14:08,719
buying

3491
02:14:13,430 --> 02:14:10,880
no other network provides the level of

3492
02:14:16,390 --> 02:14:13,440
customer service we do when it comes to

3493
02:14:18,790 --> 02:14:16,400
radio advertising we are your one-stop

3494
02:14:22,069 --> 02:14:18,800
shop and no matter how big or small your

3495
02:14:24,470 --> 02:14:22,079
business is we can help email us at

3496
02:14:26,950 --> 02:14:24,480
advertise at gcnlive.com

3497
02:14:28,709 --> 02:14:26,960
and an experienced advertising executive

3498
02:14:30,870 --> 02:14:28,719
will help you take the first step

3499
02:14:33,709 --> 02:14:30,880
towards driving more customers to your

3500
02:14:40,580 --> 02:14:33,719
business or website advertise at

3501
02:14:48,149 --> 02:14:45,589
[Music]

3502
02:14:50,149 --> 02:14:48,159
this is jerome clark author of the ufo

3503
02:14:56,229 --> 02:14:50,159
encyclopedia in other books you're

3504
02:15:00,709 --> 02:14:58,069
with chase and jean and chris who are

3505
02:15:03,750 --> 02:15:00,719
exploring ufo investigations

3506
02:15:05,430 --> 02:15:03,760
now obviously when it comes to databases

3507
02:15:06,550 --> 02:15:05,440
it's not just having that information

3508
02:15:08,629 --> 02:15:06,560
there but

3509
02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:08,639
coordinating it looking for patterns

3510
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:10,320
things like that what is mufon doing

3511
02:15:14,069 --> 02:15:12,159
about that even if we don't get the

3512
02:15:16,550 --> 02:15:14,079
other databases merged if peter

3513
02:15:18,470 --> 02:15:16,560
davenport says no i'll keep my database

3514
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:18,480
and the others are kept where they are

3515
02:15:22,390 --> 02:15:21,280
your database what are you doing to

3516
02:15:24,550 --> 02:15:22,400
look it over

3517
02:15:26,229 --> 02:15:24,560
with all these cases accumulated since

3518
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:26,239
1969

3519
02:15:29,990 --> 02:15:28,480
trying to get that stuff coordinated

3520
02:15:32,149 --> 02:15:30,000
finding out about this

3521
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:32,159
again this stuff takes money you know i

3522
02:15:36,870 --> 02:15:34,000
hate to be so

3523
02:15:38,470 --> 02:15:36,880
drool and you know state something

3524
02:15:41,910 --> 02:15:38,480
that's you know everybody's so sick of

3525
02:15:44,950 --> 02:15:41,920
hearing but you know to create a website

3526
02:15:47,350 --> 02:15:44,960
that is that interactive that will start

3527
02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:47,360
spotting typical words like cat threes

3528
02:15:51,990 --> 02:15:49,520
and put all the category three cases

3529
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:52,000
together versus category ones and you

3530
02:15:58,149 --> 02:15:54,960
know to analyze all this data it's just

3531
02:16:00,149 --> 02:15:58,159
it's money well part of it also is

3532
02:16:01,910 --> 02:16:00,159
how your database is organized because

3533
02:16:03,990 --> 02:16:01,920
any of the off-the-shelf database

3534
02:16:06,390 --> 02:16:04,000
programs allow you to do all kinds of

3535
02:16:08,629 --> 02:16:06,400
searching and coordinating well sure and

3536
02:16:11,030 --> 02:16:08,639
we do do that that's the responsibility

3537
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:11,040
of every investigator that gets a case

3538
02:16:13,750 --> 02:16:12,239
and of course

3539
02:16:15,910 --> 02:16:13,760
you know when we're done with our cases

3540
02:16:17,750 --> 02:16:15,920
we have chief investigators and you know

3541
02:16:19,990 --> 02:16:17,760
state directors and all of this should

3542
02:16:21,189 --> 02:16:20,000
be scrutinized and if we're paying

3543
02:16:23,189 --> 02:16:21,199
attention

3544
02:16:25,109 --> 02:16:23,199
then we're going to spot these things

3545
02:16:27,270 --> 02:16:25,119
again guys you know it's a volunteer

3546
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:27,280
organization well they say volunteer i

3547
02:16:31,589 --> 02:16:28,960
don't know i pay membership every year

3548
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:31,599
to do this and you know it's all out of

3549
02:16:36,790 --> 02:16:34,559
my pocket if i happen to be unavailable

3550
02:16:38,629 --> 02:16:36,800
with my grandkids for two weeks which is

3551
02:16:40,389 --> 02:16:38,639
rare but happens

3552
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:40,399
i'm not paying attention that two weeks

3553
02:16:42,389 --> 02:16:41,200
so

3554
02:16:45,429 --> 02:16:42,399
you know when you have a group of

3555
02:16:47,669 --> 02:16:45,439
volunteers we all have that dream i i

3556
02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:47,679
bet if i ask you guys if you won the

3557
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:49,120
lottery what's the first thing you do

3558
02:16:53,429 --> 02:16:51,040
professionally other than set up you

3559
02:16:56,230 --> 02:16:53,439
know this grand studio you know for your

3560
02:16:58,070 --> 02:16:56,240
you know audio work but would you not

3561
02:16:59,910 --> 02:16:58,080
get a team of investigators together

3562
02:17:02,230 --> 02:16:59,920
with the best equipment every

3563
02:17:05,750 --> 02:17:02,240
accessibility you can give them in a

3564
02:17:07,349 --> 02:17:05,760
beautiful place offer a library you know

3565
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:07,359
we all have dreams like this

3566
02:17:13,110 --> 02:17:10,240
unfortunately everything we want to come

3567
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:13,120
together i agree should be out there but

3568
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:15,120
we're dealing with yeah in a perfect

3569
02:17:18,150 --> 02:17:16,559
world yeah

3570
02:17:19,990 --> 02:17:18,160
yeah funny you should mention that

3571
02:17:21,750 --> 02:17:20,000
though because in recent episodes of the

3572
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:21,760
power cast we've talked of efforts to

3573
02:17:25,190 --> 02:17:22,880
build say

3574
02:17:27,110 --> 02:17:25,200
networks of ufo detection systems you're

3575
02:17:28,629 --> 02:17:27,120
probably chase familiar with

3576
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:28,639
ufo data

3577
02:17:33,349 --> 02:17:31,120
yes from mark roediger of

3578
02:17:35,990 --> 02:17:33,359
the center for ufo studies and others

3579
02:17:38,790 --> 02:17:36,000
last week we had a guy named dave cote a

3580
02:17:41,349 --> 02:17:38,800
young developer i invested i am

3581
02:17:44,150 --> 02:17:41,359
absolutely obsessed with cubesat

3582
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:44,160
okay we had a show about cubesat chris

3583
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:46,160
has something called the san luis valley

3584
02:17:51,990 --> 02:17:49,120
camera project which is set up a network

3585
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:52,000
of camera ufo detection systems in and

3586
02:17:55,509 --> 02:17:54,479
around the san luis valley so things are

3587
02:17:57,910 --> 02:17:55,519
happening

3588
02:18:01,750 --> 02:17:57,920
when is mufon going to jump in well

3589
02:18:03,669 --> 02:18:01,760
buffon is uh they've helped you know us

3590
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:03,679
acquire equipment they've only put up

3591
02:18:07,509 --> 02:18:05,280
three or four hundred dollars in total

3592
02:18:10,469 --> 02:18:07,519
but they have channeled money through

3593
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:10,479
the 501c3 from a benefactor

3594
02:18:14,070 --> 02:18:12,399
who's given uh quite a few thousand

3595
02:18:15,990 --> 02:18:14,080
dollars to help the project get off the

3596
02:18:18,790 --> 02:18:16,000
ground to help pay for the development

3597
02:18:20,790 --> 02:18:18,800
of software so in an an ancillary sort

3598
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:20,800
of way they are helping but

3599
02:18:24,709 --> 02:18:22,639
again as chase said they just don't have

3600
02:18:27,509 --> 02:18:24,719
the poc the deep pockets to be able to

3601
02:18:29,509 --> 02:18:27,519
uh to fund projects uh to to the extent

3602
02:18:31,270 --> 02:18:29,519
that i think you're suggesting excuse me

3603
02:18:33,429 --> 02:18:31,280
chase what about crowdfunding projects

3604
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:33,439
or about going to indiegogo going to

3605
02:18:37,830 --> 02:18:35,280
kickstarter and setting up a

3606
02:18:39,509 --> 02:18:37,840
crowdfunding plan because a lot of

3607
02:18:41,270 --> 02:18:39,519
different things raise money like

3608
02:18:43,589 --> 02:18:41,280
cubesat it's not a lot of money they

3609
02:18:45,830 --> 02:18:43,599
raise over thirty thousand dollars maybe

3610
02:18:47,990 --> 02:18:45,840
mufon can set up a budget and not just

3611
02:18:50,469 --> 02:18:48,000
depend on the memberships which may just

3612
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:50,479
about cover your costs but make a

3613
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:52,399
special fundraising

3614
02:18:56,549 --> 02:18:54,479
venture maybe when you go to those

3615
02:18:59,270 --> 02:18:56,559
places you'll reach people with money

3616
02:19:01,589 --> 02:18:59,280
willing if the project seems interesting

3617
02:19:04,629 --> 02:19:01,599
to them willing to fund it mufon does

3618
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:04,639
have several attempts at kickstarter and

3619
02:19:10,070 --> 02:19:07,679
they do use this avenue they really do

3620
02:19:12,629 --> 02:19:10,080
i like it you know i just took over the

3621
02:19:14,709 --> 02:19:12,639
star child project skull

3622
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:14,719
i'm not part of the star child project

3623
02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:17,040
because i believe that i

3624
02:19:21,669 --> 02:19:20,160
never gonna hijack lloyd pie's work i'll

3625
02:19:23,429 --> 02:19:21,679
tell you what we have been very

3626
02:19:25,990 --> 02:19:23,439
skeptical of it we've had people on the

3627
02:19:29,429 --> 02:19:26,000
show who have found it wanting shall we

3628
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:29,439
say and what i'm doing is respectfully

3629
02:19:34,709 --> 02:19:31,679
archiving his work and i'm starting at

3630
02:19:37,910 --> 02:19:34,719
square one because this skull is

3631
02:19:39,669 --> 02:19:37,920
anomalous now why it is i don't know but

3632
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:39,679
you clearly look at it and something's

3633
02:19:45,669 --> 02:19:42,639
going on it's it's so different looking

3634
02:19:48,309 --> 02:19:45,679
and there are 30 variances there are 30

3635
02:19:49,750 --> 02:19:48,319
visible variances that the star child

3636
02:19:52,790 --> 02:19:49,760
skull presents

3637
02:19:54,070 --> 02:19:52,800
versus human now with all the study that

3638
02:19:56,389 --> 02:19:54,080
we have going

3639
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:56,399
i know that in the past the star child

3640
02:20:00,950 --> 02:19:58,080
skull project

3641
02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:00,960
raises money this is not what i do the

3642
02:20:05,510 --> 02:20:03,200
whole fundraising thing i understand as

3643
02:20:08,070 --> 02:20:05,520
a corporation or or you know as an

3644
02:20:10,230 --> 02:20:08,080
organization like mufon cubesat was

3645
02:20:12,230 --> 02:20:10,240
brilliant doing it i love those guys i

3646
02:20:14,950 --> 02:20:12,240
think they're on it they're on to this

3647
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:14,960
and chris your projects are extremely

3648
02:20:19,110 --> 02:20:17,280
worthy of investment

3649
02:20:22,150 --> 02:20:19,120
but when you're thinking of you know

3650
02:20:24,230 --> 02:20:22,160
what we're doing out here um alone and

3651
02:20:26,389 --> 02:20:24,240
things you know i just think it's it's

3652
02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:26,399
wrong it's it's wrong for you know

3653
02:20:29,670 --> 02:20:27,520
people to

3654
02:20:31,990 --> 02:20:29,680
ask the public to pay for their

3655
02:20:33,750 --> 02:20:32,000
journey somewhere like to bolivia to

3656
02:20:35,429 --> 02:20:33,760
talk about you know megalithic

3657
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:35,439
structures or something

3658
02:20:39,030 --> 02:20:36,960
is it's a difficult when you're asking

3659
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:39,040
people for money it's

3660
02:20:43,590 --> 02:20:41,439
it's it's difficult well one thing about

3661
02:20:45,429 --> 02:20:43,600
the star child whoever that little guy

3662
02:20:46,710 --> 02:20:45,439
was i bet you he had a real problem

3663
02:20:48,630 --> 02:20:46,720
getting dates

3664
02:20:50,550 --> 02:20:48,640
well and you know that's the one thing

3665
02:20:52,630 --> 02:20:50,560
that you know maybe it's a mom thing in

3666
02:20:55,190 --> 02:20:52,640
me but when i looked at the skull

3667
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:55,200
human not human whatever

3668
02:20:58,550 --> 02:20:57,520
if if this was a completely diseased

3669
02:21:01,030 --> 02:20:58,560
child

3670
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:01,040
he didn't have it easy i looked at the

3671
02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:03,920
skull and you know one we can never say

3672
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:06,240
it's a hybrid or alien until we get that

3673
02:21:10,710 --> 02:21:08,160
comparison sample so let's just get that

3674
02:21:13,270 --> 02:21:10,720
out of our language like you know stop

3675
02:21:15,510 --> 02:21:13,280
it stop with the nonsense already

3676
02:21:16,550 --> 02:21:15,520
and yeah when we look at this skull it's

3677
02:21:18,309 --> 02:21:16,560
time for

3678
02:21:21,270 --> 02:21:18,319
science and the skull to speak for

3679
02:21:24,070 --> 02:21:21,280
itself period i will never make a

3680
02:21:27,270 --> 02:21:24,080
determination scientists will do that

3681
02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:27,280
highly accredited um testable

3682
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:28,560
vettable

3683
02:21:33,750 --> 02:21:31,359
scrutiny worthy results are going to

3684
02:21:35,670 --> 02:21:33,760
tell us what the skull is and the rest

3685
02:21:37,670 --> 02:21:35,680
of us can keep our opinions out of it

3686
02:21:39,510 --> 02:21:37,680
yeah and that's i i agree let the

3687
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:39,520
experts be the experts

3688
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:41,920
speaking of experts i want to

3689
02:21:45,429 --> 02:21:43,840
talk quickly

3690
02:21:47,750 --> 02:21:45,439
this is probably one of the quickest

3691
02:21:49,190 --> 02:21:47,760
shows i think we've ever ever recorded

3692
02:21:51,190 --> 02:21:49,200
just flew by we're going to have to

3693
02:21:52,469 --> 02:21:51,200
obviously have you back chase but i

3694
02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:52,479
really want to spend a little bit of

3695
02:21:56,630 --> 02:21:54,000
time and talk about your new book

3696
02:21:59,429 --> 02:21:56,640
admissible i love this book i think it

3697
02:22:02,550 --> 02:21:59,439
is a a it's a book that we've really

3698
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:02,560
needed for a long time i really admire

3699
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:04,720
richard in seeing the potential with it

3700
02:22:08,950 --> 02:22:06,399
richard dolan and getting involved

3701
02:22:13,030 --> 02:22:08,960
helping you with this i want to urge

3702
02:22:15,190 --> 02:22:13,040
anyone out there uh who is interested in

3703
02:22:16,870 --> 02:22:15,200
breaking into the i

3704
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:16,880
you know the very kind of difficult

3705
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:18,880
field of field investigation this is

3706
02:22:23,910 --> 02:22:21,600
your book this will get you up to speed

3707
02:22:26,870 --> 02:22:23,920
not only in investigating ufos but going

3708
02:22:28,950 --> 02:22:26,880
to paranormal hot spots and doing all

3709
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:28,960
kinds of you know cutting edge

3710
02:22:34,550 --> 02:22:31,280
investigations and chase this book is

3711
02:22:36,469 --> 02:22:34,560
really good i i i can't i don't plug

3712
02:22:38,309 --> 02:22:36,479
books very often when we have authors on

3713
02:22:39,830 --> 02:22:38,319
the show we do have a lot of them but

3714
02:22:41,670 --> 02:22:39,840
this book i definitely think should be a

3715
02:22:43,190 --> 02:22:41,680
part of anyone's library who is

3716
02:22:45,110 --> 02:22:43,200
interested in doing field investigative

3717
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:45,120
work and my hat's off to you and richard

3718
02:22:48,550 --> 02:22:47,120
this is a fabulous book

3719
02:22:50,230 --> 02:22:48,560
i would like to have you back on the

3720
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:50,240
show just to talk about this book

3721
02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:51,760
because we really haven't had a chance

3722
02:22:57,190 --> 02:22:54,800
to even really address uh just many

3723
02:22:59,590 --> 02:22:57,200
things uh just wonderful pearls of

3724
02:23:01,349 --> 02:22:59,600
wisdom and suggestions and techniques

3725
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:01,359
and equipment lists and all the

3726
02:23:04,790 --> 02:23:02,720
wonderful things you have in here and

3727
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:04,800
i'm i like i said i don't plug books

3728
02:23:08,469 --> 02:23:06,319
very often but i've definitely liked

3729
02:23:10,389 --> 02:23:08,479
this book and i congratulations it must

3730
02:23:12,870 --> 02:23:10,399
have taken quite a bit of work quite a

3731
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:12,880
bit of foresight and and you really did

3732
02:23:17,349 --> 02:23:15,200
cross your your eyes and dot your t's

3733
02:23:18,950 --> 02:23:17,359
here and uh my hat's off to you thank

3734
02:23:22,070 --> 02:23:18,960
you so much chris and first of all that

3735
02:23:24,070 --> 02:23:22,080
means um so much because of you know

3736
02:23:25,990 --> 02:23:24,080
you're one of the uh investigators and

3737
02:23:28,950 --> 02:23:26,000
colleagues out here that i hold in

3738
02:23:31,349 --> 02:23:28,960
highest esteem and you know there's very

3739
02:23:33,429 --> 02:23:31,359
few in these categories especially with

3740
02:23:36,469 --> 02:23:33,439
you know uh you know i'm old i've been

3741
02:23:38,790 --> 02:23:36,479
out here for a while so um you know

3742
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:38,800
absolutely thank you so much and so it

3743
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:41,600
means a lot coming from you and

3744
02:23:46,309 --> 02:23:43,920
um the book was i'm not an author you

3745
02:23:48,389 --> 02:23:46,319
know on boots on the ground door kicker

3746
02:23:49,349 --> 02:23:48,399
like to shake it up um

3747
02:23:51,510 --> 02:23:49,359
so

3748
02:23:53,030 --> 02:23:51,520
i just gave richard dolan he's like well

3749
02:23:55,270 --> 02:23:53,040
how do you investigate and i'm like well

3750
02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:55,280
this is what you do now you organize it

3751
02:23:59,030 --> 02:23:57,120
and turn it into a book but this is

3752
02:24:00,230 --> 02:23:59,040
everything you need to do that's why

3753
02:24:02,230 --> 02:24:00,240
it's not

3754
02:24:05,510 --> 02:24:02,240
co-authored by richard it just says with

3755
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:05,520
richard but you know it was definitely

3756
02:24:10,710 --> 02:24:09,040
um the hardest thing i've ever done and

3757
02:24:12,790 --> 02:24:10,720
you know i love when you brought up the

3758
02:24:15,990 --> 02:24:12,800
follow-up i've got to go into a break

3759
02:24:17,990 --> 02:24:16,000
here i'm sorry okay chase kletzke

3760
02:24:19,710 --> 02:24:18,000
joining gene and chris you're in the

3761
02:24:28,230 --> 02:24:19,720
bearcast

3762
02:24:28,240 --> 02:24:32,950
thank you for listening to gcn

3763
02:24:37,429 --> 02:24:33,790
visit

3764
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:39,270
graphic converter is the image

3765
02:24:44,550 --> 02:24:41,600
manipulation tool for the rest of us it

3766
02:24:46,710 --> 02:24:44,560
does not use any database you get full

3767
02:24:49,270 --> 02:24:46,720
control of all your files want to view

3768
02:24:51,990 --> 02:24:49,280
the images of a folder drag it into

3769
02:24:54,309 --> 02:24:52,000
graphic inverter and a powerful browser

3770
02:24:56,389 --> 02:24:54,319
opens up to show your image files you

3771
02:24:58,710 --> 02:24:56,399
could use it for slideshows you could

3772
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:58,720
use it to import images from digital

3773
02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:01,200
cameras or from scanners need to do some

3774
02:25:05,830 --> 02:25:03,200
image editing you can do that too in

3775
02:25:08,389 --> 02:25:05,840
graphic inverter also print catalogs

3776
02:25:10,790 --> 02:25:08,399
convert from so many formats i can't

3777
02:25:13,110 --> 02:25:10,800
even list them download now to see if

3778
02:25:16,150 --> 02:25:13,120
graphic inverter is good for you like

3779
02:25:18,150 --> 02:25:16,160
one and a half million other users guess

3780
02:25:20,790 --> 02:25:18,160
what you could save money when you buy

3781
02:25:23,510 --> 02:25:20,800
graphic inverter use the coupon code

3782
02:25:25,510 --> 02:25:23,520
night owl use the coupon code nighthow

3783
02:25:28,150 --> 02:25:25,520
to get a special price for graphic

3784
02:25:32,510 --> 02:25:28,160
inverter go to lemkesoft.com

3785
02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:32,520
that's l e m k e soft dot com

3786
02:25:38,070 --> 02:25:36,000
lemkesoft.com l e m k e

3787
02:25:39,990 --> 02:25:38,080
soft.com

3788
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:40,000
this is holly thomas group vice

3789
02:25:44,389 --> 02:25:42,720
president of cause marketing for macy's

3790
02:25:46,550 --> 02:25:44,399
our company is working together with the

3791
02:25:48,469 --> 02:25:46,560
march of dimes through march for babies

3792
02:25:50,309 --> 02:25:48,479
to raise money and awareness about the

3793
02:25:51,429 --> 02:25:50,319
serious problem of premature birth in

3794
02:25:53,110 --> 02:25:51,439
the us

3795
02:25:55,270 --> 02:25:53,120
that's why macy's is committed to

3796
02:25:57,830 --> 02:25:55,280
raising funds through our employees

3797
02:26:00,389 --> 02:25:57,840
customers family and friends to improve

3798
02:26:01,990 --> 02:26:00,399
the health of moms and babies everywhere

3799
02:26:04,070 --> 02:26:02,000
won't you please join us in march for

3800
02:26:07,349 --> 02:26:04,080
babies start a team today at

3801
02:26:11,910 --> 02:26:09,030
serious investors and traders want to

3802
02:26:13,910 --> 02:26:11,920
make 81 percent return in 60 seconds use

3803
02:26:15,750 --> 02:26:13,920
the same secret algorithm professional

3804
02:26:18,950 --> 02:26:15,760
hedge fund managers use to make billions

3805
02:26:20,389 --> 02:26:18,960
of dollars of profits turn 250 into

3806
02:26:22,309 --> 02:26:20,399
hundred three dollars just seven clicks

3807
02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:22,319
of a mouse our tool is so simple that my

3808
02:26:27,150 --> 02:26:23,920
82 year old grandmother can use it to

3809
02:26:29,510 --> 02:26:27,160
make insane stock market profits go to

3810
02:26:31,349 --> 02:26:29,520
bigbuckriches.com watch the free video

3811
02:26:32,830 --> 02:26:31,359
before the hedge funds make us take it

3812
02:26:34,710 --> 02:26:32,840
down go to

3813
02:26:35,990 --> 02:26:34,720
bigbuckriches.com from the robert allen

3814
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:36,000
system current returns not indicative of

3815
02:26:42,950 --> 02:26:41,110
this is dan pillow do you have the irs

3816
02:26:44,790 --> 02:26:42,960
money you can't pay are tax debts

3817
02:26:47,190 --> 02:26:44,800
crippling you i've defended people from

3818
02:26:49,270 --> 02:26:47,200
the irs for over 30 years i've helped

3819
02:26:50,630 --> 02:26:49,280
thousands and i can help you too i wrote

3820
02:26:52,389 --> 02:26:50,640
the book on irs settlement and i'm

3821
02:26:56,070 --> 02:26:52,399
telling you there's no such thing as a

3822
02:26:58,309 --> 02:26:56,080
hopeless case call 834 no tax to finally

3823
02:26:59,830 --> 02:26:58,319
get free of irs debt with the irs's new

3824
02:27:02,630 --> 02:26:59,840
programs there's never been a better

3825
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:02,640
time to solve your problem call 834 no

3826
02:27:08,630 --> 02:27:06,479
tax that's 800 34 no tax or my website

3827
02:27:10,710 --> 02:27:08,640
danpilla.com

3828
02:27:12,150 --> 02:27:10,720
i'm nick sowoleski a select quote agent

3829
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:12,160
with a true story that could save you

3830
02:27:16,950 --> 02:27:14,080
hundreds of dollars a year a woman named

3831
02:27:19,990 --> 02:27:16,960
linda just called her husband ray has a

3832
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:20,000
300 000 group life insurance policy but

3833
02:27:24,469 --> 02:27:22,000
is changing jobs and can't take it with

3834
02:27:26,150 --> 02:27:24,479
him well i am partially shot the highly

3835
02:27:28,870 --> 02:27:26,160
rated term life insurance companies we

3836
02:27:30,309 --> 02:27:28,880
represent and found ray who is 41 and

3837
02:27:34,150 --> 02:27:30,319
takes medication to control his

3838
02:27:36,790 --> 02:27:34,160
cholesterol a 10-year 500 000 policy for

3839
02:27:39,030 --> 02:27:36,800
under 26 dollars a month that's almost

3840
02:27:41,270 --> 02:27:39,040
twice the coverage for less than half of

3841
02:27:43,030 --> 02:27:41,280
what he had paid if select quote hasn't

3842
02:27:44,870 --> 02:27:43,040
shopped for your life insurance you're

3843
02:27:50,070 --> 02:27:44,880
probably paying too much

3844
02:27:57,190 --> 02:27:52,320
that's 1-800-403-4885

3845
02:28:02,550 --> 02:27:59,030
eight 1-800-403-4885 or go to select

3846
02:28:04,150 --> 02:28:02,560
quote dot com we shop you save get full

3847
02:28:05,270 --> 02:28:04,160
details in the example policy slow dot

3848
02:28:06,309 --> 02:28:05,280
com slash commercials your price could

3849
02:28:07,590 --> 02:28:06,319
vary depending on your health issuing

3850
02:28:08,950 --> 02:28:07,600
company and other factors not available

3851
02:28:10,230 --> 02:28:08,960
in all states paid an attorney

3852
02:28:11,510 --> 02:28:10,240
spokesperson adam polanski of the public

3853
02:28:12,469 --> 02:28:11,520
law firm principal in houston texas is

3854
02:28:13,670 --> 02:28:12,479
the attorney responsible for the content

3855
02:28:14,389 --> 02:28:13,680
of this this ad is not legal advice and

3856
02:28:15,590 --> 02:28:14,399
the choice of lawyers should not be

3857
02:28:16,870 --> 02:28:15,600
based only on advertisement services may

3858
02:28:18,950 --> 02:28:16,880
not be available in all states attention

3859
02:28:20,870 --> 02:28:18,960
zarato users if you or a loved one took

3860
02:28:22,550 --> 02:28:20,880
xarelto and suffered a serious bleeding

3861
02:28:24,550 --> 02:28:22,560
event you may be entitled to financial

3862
02:28:25,750 --> 02:28:24,560
compensation xarelto is a popular

3863
02:28:27,349 --> 02:28:25,760
prescription blood thinner used to

3864
02:28:28,790 --> 02:28:27,359
prevent blood clots and protect patients

3865
02:28:30,230 --> 02:28:28,800
from strokes these serious bleeding

3866
02:28:31,910 --> 02:28:30,240
events have led to numerous cases of

3867
02:28:34,590 --> 02:28:31,920
hospitalization and even death phone

3868
02:28:42,070 --> 02:28:34,600
lines are open 24 7. call

3869
02:28:47,110 --> 02:28:44,950
hi this is james fox from chasing ufos

3870
02:28:52,630 --> 02:28:47,120
you're listening to the paracast the

3871
02:28:56,550 --> 02:28:54,710
final segment boy time flies when you're

3872
02:28:58,230 --> 02:28:56,560
having fun with chase klitsky we're

3873
02:29:01,349 --> 02:28:58,240
talking about that book

3874
02:29:03,270 --> 02:29:01,359
that i guess we call richard dolan like

3875
02:29:04,550 --> 02:29:03,280
the ghost writer of it where you give

3876
02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:04,560
him all the notes and he puts it

3877
02:29:07,590 --> 02:29:06,000
together kind of like when william

3878
02:29:09,670 --> 02:29:07,600
shatner writes a book

3879
02:29:10,710 --> 02:29:09,680
it's always with a couple of people

3880
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:10,720
yeah and

3881
02:29:15,190 --> 02:29:13,040
you know just not an author and

3882
02:29:17,590 --> 02:29:15,200
it was brutal it was a brutal process

3883
02:29:19,429 --> 02:29:17,600
especially when you know i tend to have

3884
02:29:21,510 --> 02:29:19,439
you know right now i have 27 ufo

3885
02:29:23,750 --> 02:29:21,520
investigations active on my desk i have

3886
02:29:25,670 --> 02:29:23,760
the store child you know you know when

3887
02:29:28,469 --> 02:29:25,680
your plate is full

3888
02:29:31,830 --> 02:29:28,479
it's really difficult to try to find the

3889
02:29:34,070 --> 02:29:31,840
focus and time required to to really put

3890
02:29:37,510 --> 02:29:34,080
out good material so it really is you

3891
02:29:40,309 --> 02:29:37,520
know richard he's a great publisher um

3892
02:29:41,750 --> 02:29:40,319
editor and you know partner in this but

3893
02:29:43,590 --> 02:29:41,760
um

3894
02:29:45,670 --> 02:29:43,600
thank you chris because what i really

3895
02:29:46,950 --> 02:29:45,680
think we needed out here was

3896
02:29:49,190 --> 02:29:46,960
you know people would ask me all the

3897
02:29:51,830 --> 02:29:49,200
time well how do i get started or you

3898
02:29:54,790 --> 02:29:51,840
know what do i do and man

3899
02:29:56,469 --> 02:29:54,800
you know for us old people out here to

3900
02:29:59,349 --> 02:29:56,479
give some advice that they don't make

3901
02:30:01,830 --> 02:29:59,359
the mistakes we learned from and we have

3902
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:01,840
grown from you know to offer that kind

3903
02:30:07,429 --> 02:30:05,359
of assistance oh man i was so lucky i

3904
02:30:09,910 --> 02:30:07,439
was taken under the wing by

3905
02:30:12,950 --> 02:30:09,920
linda howe tom adams david perkins uh

3906
02:30:15,270 --> 02:30:12,960
gabe valdez i mean i was so fortunate to

3907
02:30:17,830 --> 02:30:15,280
have these really smart

3908
02:30:21,030 --> 02:30:17,840
experienced people to uh to give me

3909
02:30:23,670 --> 02:30:21,040
pointers to give me suggestions to to

3910
02:30:26,630 --> 02:30:23,680
allow me to hone my investigative skills

3911
02:30:29,270 --> 02:30:26,640
very quickly and to to be a creative

3912
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:29,280
thinker and only only allow myself to go

3913
02:30:32,950 --> 02:30:31,040
where the evidence and the data would uh

3914
02:30:34,349 --> 02:30:32,960
would lead me and i think a lot of

3915
02:30:37,030 --> 02:30:34,359
people are getting

3916
02:30:38,710 --> 02:30:37,040
miseducated by the internet by the media

3917
02:30:41,670 --> 02:30:38,720
they have a false sense of what this

3918
02:30:44,790 --> 02:30:41,680
subject matter is about and uh they go

3919
02:30:46,630 --> 02:30:44,800
off uh ill prepared and they they can do

3920
02:30:48,389 --> 02:30:46,640
more damage than than good when it comes

3921
02:30:49,990 --> 02:30:48,399
to the deep psychological implications

3922
02:30:51,670 --> 02:30:50,000
that some of these cases

3923
02:30:52,870 --> 02:30:51,680
elicit in people and witnesses and

3924
02:30:53,990 --> 02:30:52,880
experiencers

3925
02:30:55,910 --> 02:30:54,000
you really have to know what you're

3926
02:30:58,389 --> 02:30:55,920
doing to go out there and do a good job

3927
02:31:01,110 --> 02:30:58,399
um you could you could do damage and

3928
02:31:02,550 --> 02:31:01,120
take responsibility for that title and

3929
02:31:05,349 --> 02:31:02,560
you know that's probably the biggest

3930
02:31:08,469 --> 02:31:05,359
message that i have as you know the

3931
02:31:10,150 --> 02:31:08,479
older one is take responsibility guys if

3932
02:31:12,070 --> 02:31:10,160
you want to be an investigator be good

3933
02:31:14,070 --> 02:31:12,080
at it or don't bother take the

3934
02:31:16,389 --> 02:31:14,080
responsibility if you don't feel like

3935
02:31:18,870 --> 02:31:16,399
you're getting proper trade i had no one

3936
02:31:20,710 --> 02:31:18,880
um i i would i would have killed for

3937
02:31:22,550 --> 02:31:20,720
someone like linda to work for that

3938
02:31:25,670 --> 02:31:22,560
would have been amazing but if you don't

3939
02:31:27,750 --> 02:31:25,680
have that take responsibility

3940
02:31:29,670 --> 02:31:27,760
and don't be afraid to contact somebody

3941
02:31:31,429 --> 02:31:29,680
you look up to out here

3942
02:31:33,190 --> 02:31:31,439
i had that same little giddy you know

3943
02:31:34,950 --> 02:31:33,200
the first time i met richard dolan and

3944
02:31:36,870 --> 02:31:34,960
linda and sant freeman you know you

3945
02:31:38,790 --> 02:31:36,880
almost want to not approach them because

3946
02:31:39,910 --> 02:31:38,800
oh my god that's richard dolan and linda

3947
02:31:42,550 --> 02:31:39,920
mont-howell

3948
02:31:44,710 --> 02:31:42,560
they are the nicest most charitable

3949
02:31:47,110 --> 02:31:44,720
people with their time and advice

3950
02:31:49,590 --> 02:31:47,120
call them pick up the phone write them

3951
02:31:52,070 --> 02:31:49,600
on facebook ask the questions

3952
02:31:54,309 --> 02:31:52,080
you know the only thing we have anything

3953
02:31:58,469 --> 02:31:54,319
different is experience and trust me we

3954
02:32:00,790 --> 02:31:58,479
all love to talk so ask us or them it's

3955
02:32:02,950 --> 02:32:00,800
the craziest thing when

3956
02:32:05,750 --> 02:32:02,960
you're looking at this field and taking

3957
02:32:07,830 --> 02:32:05,760
responsibility is really a big thing

3958
02:32:10,150 --> 02:32:07,840
with me you know i went to private

3959
02:32:11,830 --> 02:32:10,160
investigator school i continue to take

3960
02:32:14,710 --> 02:32:11,840
forensic classes

3961
02:32:17,510 --> 02:32:14,720
constantly online i'm buying books

3962
02:32:19,349 --> 02:32:17,520
i bought a forensic kit slowly a little

3963
02:32:21,510 --> 02:32:19,359
at a time that would make the sheriff's

3964
02:32:24,309 --> 02:32:21,520
department jealous here because i want

3965
02:32:26,950 --> 02:32:24,319
it all took me years to get this now you

3966
02:32:30,309 --> 02:32:26,960
didn't do this by watching all 50 000

3967
02:32:32,230 --> 02:32:30,319
years of the csi tv shows thank you

3968
02:32:34,550 --> 02:32:32,240
not at all i wanted to refer you to

3969
02:32:37,830 --> 02:32:34,560
something before we go on because we had

3970
02:32:41,349 --> 02:32:37,840
lloyd pie to talk about star child on

3971
02:32:43,270 --> 02:32:41,359
the power cast back in april of 2007 but

3972
02:32:45,590 --> 02:32:43,280
we also featured

3973
02:32:47,270 --> 02:32:45,600
a ufo investigator and artist named

3974
02:32:50,469 --> 02:32:47,280
tommy allison

3975
02:32:52,790 --> 02:32:50,479
who was involved in studying starchild

3976
02:32:55,190 --> 02:32:52,800
and he wasn't too impressed with it with

3977
02:32:56,150 --> 02:32:55,200
the star child itself or the

3978
02:32:58,550 --> 02:32:56,160
work

3979
02:33:00,230 --> 02:32:58,560
with the star child itself

3980
02:33:02,230 --> 02:33:00,240
i don't understand that i'm going to be

3981
02:33:04,870 --> 02:33:02,240
honest and i'm not one that you know

3982
02:33:07,349 --> 02:33:04,880
it's all woo-woo and you know this is

3983
02:33:10,150 --> 02:33:07,359
alien that's not what i see what i see

3984
02:33:13,429 --> 02:33:10,160
is a very bulbous skull

3985
02:33:16,550 --> 02:33:13,439
and that's just the start and i will say

3986
02:33:18,309 --> 02:33:16,560
that this skull is one of a kind there's

3987
02:33:20,550 --> 02:33:18,319
not another one like it on this earth

3988
02:33:22,469 --> 02:33:20,560
that at least has been made available or

3989
02:33:24,870 --> 02:33:22,479
known to the public

3990
02:33:27,110 --> 02:33:24,880
and i can't wait to discover

3991
02:33:29,110 --> 02:33:27,120
what the skull has to say and we are

3992
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:29,120
literally starting at square one

3993
02:33:33,910 --> 02:33:31,439
completely at the beginning

3994
02:33:35,910 --> 02:33:33,920
by you know i noticed that in the past a

3995
02:33:38,469 --> 02:33:35,920
lot of people were focused on you know

3996
02:33:40,790 --> 02:33:38,479
genetics and humans and

3997
02:33:42,389 --> 02:33:40,800
i'm going to paleontology the first

3998
02:33:44,710 --> 02:33:42,399
people that are going to examine this

3999
02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:44,720
900 year old scholar the people that are

4000
02:33:48,950 --> 02:33:47,200
trained to do so okay so i'll recommend

4001
02:33:49,830 --> 02:33:48,960
here because we don't have time to go

4002
02:33:51,670 --> 02:33:49,840
into a

4003
02:33:53,990 --> 02:33:51,680
star trial discussion here with just a

4004
02:33:55,830 --> 02:33:54,000
few minutes left i have put a link in

4005
02:33:58,630 --> 02:33:55,840
the chat window for you

4006
02:34:00,830 --> 02:33:58,640
the episode where we had this

4007
02:34:02,790 --> 02:34:00,840
discussion about an attempt to create a

4008
02:34:05,590 --> 02:34:02,800
forensic piece

4009
02:34:06,550 --> 02:34:05,600
based on the star child about what

4010
02:34:08,469 --> 02:34:06,560
happened

4011
02:34:10,630 --> 02:34:08,479
listen to it maybe the next time we have

4012
02:34:12,150 --> 02:34:10,640
you on give us a reaction i'm not saying

4013
02:34:13,750 --> 02:34:12,160
anything pro or cut

4014
02:34:15,590 --> 02:34:13,760
no i appreciate that you can't make a

4015
02:34:18,070 --> 02:34:15,600
decision about something that you

4016
02:34:20,070 --> 02:34:18,080
haven't fully investigated but use this

4017
02:34:23,429 --> 02:34:20,080
as an example you may tell me this guy

4018
02:34:25,349 --> 02:34:23,439
is out to lunch i love skeptics i love

4019
02:34:27,670 --> 02:34:25,359
them they keep me honest we have it

4020
02:34:31,750 --> 02:34:27,680
there and our listeners again it's may

4021
02:34:33,910 --> 02:34:31,760
20th 2007 the guest is tommy allison and

4022
02:34:35,429 --> 02:34:33,920
if you look also if you look up

4023
02:34:36,870 --> 02:34:35,439
starchild

4024
02:34:40,150 --> 02:34:36,880
on our show

4025
02:34:41,830 --> 02:34:40,160
on april 8th 2007 it's still up there we

4026
02:34:45,030 --> 02:34:41,840
have lloyd pie

4027
02:34:47,270 --> 02:34:45,040
wow so you can get his slant on it we

4028
02:34:49,030 --> 02:34:47,280
have him on maybe for an hour or so yeah

4029
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:49,040
we just had our 10-year anniversary for

4030
02:34:53,190 --> 02:34:51,200
the show yeah and if this keeps up

4031
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:53,200
they'll give me a gold watch at 50 years

4032
02:34:56,630 --> 02:34:55,120
so i have to do this show for 40 more

4033
02:34:58,309 --> 02:34:56,640
years

4034
02:34:59,830 --> 02:34:58,319
i said good luck there with that one

4035
02:35:01,349 --> 02:34:59,840
well you'll have to be my successor

4036
02:35:03,190 --> 02:35:01,359
that's it there's no choice involved

4037
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:03,200
here when i fade out when i need the

4038
02:35:09,110 --> 02:35:05,760
wheelchair to be the new gene chase and

4039
02:35:13,190 --> 02:35:10,870
you guys do have an awesome show i'm not

4040
02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:13,200
even lying we try to keep it uh keep it

4041
02:35:17,429 --> 02:35:15,200
real you know sometimes we'll even

4042
02:35:19,590 --> 02:35:17,439
figure it out for a minute or two left

4043
02:35:21,349 --> 02:35:19,600
here and i know you have a website which

4044
02:35:23,750 --> 02:35:21,359
i've been checking out as we've listened

4045
02:35:25,429 --> 02:35:23,760
here tell our listeners what they can do

4046
02:35:27,910 --> 02:35:25,439
to find out more of what you're working

4047
02:35:28,790 --> 02:35:27,920
on and maybe give us other than star

4048
02:35:30,469 --> 02:35:28,800
child

4049
02:35:32,630 --> 02:35:30,479
an indication of what things you hope to

4050
02:35:34,790 --> 02:35:32,640
accomplish in the near future

4051
02:35:36,870 --> 02:35:34,800
they could go to my website which is

4052
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:36,880
chaseklitsky.com

4053
02:35:40,230 --> 02:35:38,240
you're not going to see a big list of

4054
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:40,240
cases that i've worked in the past my

4055
02:35:44,150 --> 02:35:42,160
personal belief is i don't hijack other

4056
02:35:46,710 --> 02:35:44,160
people's experiences and i leave that up

4057
02:35:50,389 --> 02:35:46,720
to the witnesses to do with their case

4058
02:35:52,710 --> 02:35:50,399
files that i leave them but i do have

4059
02:35:54,469 --> 02:35:52,720
our initial statement my initial

4060
02:35:55,750 --> 02:35:54,479
statement of the star child skull i

4061
02:35:59,670 --> 02:35:55,760
think you'll be very

4062
02:36:01,510 --> 02:35:59,680
pleased gene and uh chris about the

4063
02:36:03,910 --> 02:36:01,520
article that's written there you guys i

4064
02:36:05,429 --> 02:36:03,920
think will like it but i it really is

4065
02:36:07,110 --> 02:36:05,439
going forward i'm doing a lot of

4066
02:36:09,990 --> 02:36:07,120
international cases right now a lot of

4067
02:36:13,270 --> 02:36:10,000
ufo international cases for mufon

4068
02:36:14,389 --> 02:36:13,280
i'm speaking at ozark mountain ufo

4069
02:36:15,349 --> 02:36:14,399
conference

4070
02:36:17,830 --> 02:36:15,359
in

4071
02:36:19,429 --> 02:36:17,840
april and couple more conferences at the

4072
02:36:21,270 --> 02:36:19,439
end of the year but just visit my

4073
02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:21,280
website guys and y'all my facebook

4074
02:36:26,150 --> 02:36:23,840
twitter hit me up this is awesome i love

4075
02:36:27,030 --> 02:36:26,160
interacting with colleagues peers and

4076
02:36:28,389 --> 02:36:27,040
friends

4077
02:36:30,230 --> 02:36:28,399
do you actually go

4078
02:36:31,030 --> 02:36:30,240
outside the country to investigate a

4079
02:36:34,150 --> 02:36:31,040
case

4080
02:36:36,469 --> 02:36:34,160
yes um i've been to three continents so

4081
02:36:38,070 --> 02:36:36,479
far and actually in the last two years

4082
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:38,080
three continents so

4083
02:36:41,670 --> 02:36:39,280
yeah

4084
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:41,680
i i it's not as often because again this

4085
02:36:45,429 --> 02:36:43,760
is all out of my pocket but if the right

4086
02:36:48,150 --> 02:36:45,439
case comes along

4087
02:36:50,309 --> 02:36:48,160
that will offer um

4088
02:36:52,150 --> 02:36:50,319
you know the reasons that they really uh

4089
02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:52,160
could use me and not that i could just

4090
02:36:55,590 --> 02:36:53,520
make a phone call and find someone in

4091
02:36:57,910 --> 02:36:55,600
puerto rico or australia

4092
02:37:00,630 --> 02:36:57,920
we have ufo investigators everywhere but

4093
02:37:03,510 --> 02:37:00,640
you know i have been enticed to uh south

4094
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:03,520
america peru bolivia australia

4095
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:04,880
absolutely

4096
02:37:08,389 --> 02:37:06,000
oh boy

4097
02:37:10,950 --> 02:37:08,399
i want to go to cuba that's my goal by

4098
02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:10,960
the end of this year i want to open

4099
02:37:16,790 --> 02:37:13,439
up a ufo

4100
02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:16,800
mufon or ufo something anything in cuba

4101
02:37:20,230 --> 02:37:18,800
great idea well this comes at a great

4102
02:37:22,150 --> 02:37:20,240
time because we're trying to expand

4103
02:37:23,429 --> 02:37:22,160
relations with cuba

4104
02:37:26,469 --> 02:37:23,439
we have

4105
02:37:28,309 --> 02:37:26,479
a presence on twitter look for the

4106
02:37:31,110 --> 02:37:28,319
powercast on twitter

4107
02:37:34,309 --> 02:37:31,120
look for two not one but two

4108
02:37:36,790 --> 02:37:34,319
official powercast fan clubs on facebook

4109
02:37:39,270 --> 02:37:36,800
and also look for the powercast plus

4110
02:37:40,870 --> 02:37:39,280
that's our subscription package where we

4111
02:37:43,429 --> 02:37:40,880
offer you a lot more

4112
02:37:46,230 --> 02:37:43,439
we offer you the exclusive after the

4113
02:37:47,990 --> 02:37:46,240
powercast podcast it's a wrap-up show

4114
02:37:50,710 --> 02:37:48,000
sometimes we have special guests

4115
02:37:52,950 --> 02:37:50,720
sometimes shows continue because we

4116
02:37:55,110 --> 02:37:52,960
can't wrap them up quickly enough on

4117
02:37:56,550 --> 02:37:55,120
after the power cast we have the ad-free

4118
02:37:59,190 --> 02:37:56,560
version of this show

4119
02:38:01,910 --> 02:37:59,200
show tram scripts videos classic

4120
02:38:04,070 --> 02:38:01,920
episodes ad-free will be posted shortly

4121
02:38:09,230 --> 02:38:04,080
we're starting to work on those to find

4122
02:38:15,429 --> 02:38:11,990
plus.theparacast.com it's all there for

4123
02:38:17,429 --> 02:38:15,439
a modest monthly annual five year or

4124
02:38:19,349 --> 02:38:17,439
lifetime subscription rate the lifetime

4125
02:38:21,590 --> 02:38:19,359
is a bargain the show's been here for 10

4126
02:38:24,710 --> 02:38:21,600
years and we're looking at our next 10

4127
02:38:26,230 --> 02:38:24,720
years that's the powercast plus

4128
02:38:29,190 --> 02:38:26,240
chase klotzky

4129
02:38:30,950 --> 02:38:29,200
it's been real it's been fun glad to

4130
02:38:32,150 --> 02:38:30,960
meet you thank you for joining us on the

4131
02:38:34,150 --> 02:38:32,160
power cast

4132
02:38:36,389 --> 02:38:34,160
oh my gosh you guys are rock stars and

4133
02:38:38,710 --> 02:38:36,399
thank you for having me and chris happy

4134
02:38:40,150 --> 02:38:38,720
birthday mister thank you

4135
02:38:41,910 --> 02:38:40,160
and we can't wait to have you back home

4136
02:38:42,950 --> 02:38:41,920
we just licking the tip for the iceberg

4137
02:38:45,349 --> 02:38:42,960
air stuff

4138
02:38:55,110 --> 02:38:45,359
anytime you guys are amazing anytime i

4139
02:39:00,870 --> 02:38:57,990
the powercast featuring gene steinberg

4140
02:39:03,830 --> 02:39:00,880
and christopher o'brien is a copyrighted

4141
02:39:05,590 --> 02:39:03,840
presentation of making the impossible

4142
02:39:09,750 --> 02:39:05,600
incorporated